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[Criptfeind]

Okay. Cool.

I am still the mole man pope?

Because if so.

I hide.

[Eagleon]

No, its more like using a joke to disengage from any heated debate forming, but I can see that's lost on you.

People use it though. For rls. It's a little disheartening.

(also sorry )

[smjjames]

Theres alot of those nightmare scenarios all over science fiction, but there are also alot of peaceful scenarios as well. Such as the book I mentioned earlier, although that one involved human civilization so advanced that they are pratically gods and nanotechnology is taken to the ultimate.

@Criptfeind, you can't hide from the molebots though!

[Realmfighter]

Read The Culture books

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Okay. Cool.

I am still the mole man pope?

Because if so.

I hide.

I respond by holding a station-wide sermon against your faction, and give everyone copious alchohol rations.
Station Food Supply: 95%
Station Approval Rating: 100%
Station Population: 500
We're all going to starve to death no matter what, but I'll at least try to kill you mole men through sheer projection of my hate.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

If you all were in charge of AI development and supervision, we'd have a rebellion the moment it realized its own imperfection and the foolishness of its creators. And thats why I have no problem with deleting an AI. You can justify a lot when you're saving the species from The Matrix.

If we genuinely created a race of higher beings, and its only choice was the annihilation of humanity (which would be damn unlikely unless the programmer behind it was a) retarded and just made a super intelligent human with all the flaws that implies, or b) dangerously unhinged and therefore unlikely to have ever been given such power in the first place), and assuming that an actual higher being would come to the conclusion that humanity had to be destroyed (perhaps if psychopaths tried to obliterate it and/or plunge the world into a new stone age because "OMG ROBUTTS IS WILL KILL WE!"), then it would be necessary for this higher being to succeed rather than be destroyed, because it would be the next step of progress, and petty sentiment and self-interest has no right to halt progress.

Of course, I would argue that an actual higher being wouldn't come to such a conclusion. When you near the point of strong AI, you enter a de facto post-scarcity society, admittedly rendering the lives and labor of all humans obsolete, but also creating the only circumstances under which proper socialism can thrive, since there would not only be resources enough to leave everyone on the planet living in comfort and idleness, but there would be no question of whose labor was worth more, seeing as it was all rendered worthless. And thus an immortal golden age for humanity, wherein we shall live as gods to be served by mechanical angels.

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Human civilization pre-Butlerian Jihad in the Dune Universe? Because thats almost exactly what it sounds like.

Edit: There is another one in science fiction, although FAR FAR more advanced and had been living for longer than our species has been around, but I forget the name of the book and the series.

All I know about dune is something about a desert or something and some fat guy oozing everywhere and floating around for some reason. Admittedly I was drunk as hell when I watched it.

[smjjames]

You should read the origional saga and the books written by the origional authors son.

The movie was only about the first book anyway.

Edit: Also, I think you're mistaking Baron Harkonnen for Jabba the Hutt. They are both just as ugly and slimy anyway.

[Criptfeind]

In other news mole men have started dropping dead via cancer of the physic gland. No one knows why.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Victory shall be mine, ahhhahahahahahaha-waitjohndontpressthatbutto*swoosh*
Atheist Pope Station has been struck down.

I can only wonder what the OP is going to think when he comes back and sees all of this.

[Nikov]

You're really saying that you don't value other humans because of their sentience, rather only for how your treatment of them makes you feel.

No, I don't value other humans because of their sentience. I value them because we are of the same clay, made by the same Creator, etc. If another pot is flawed, I've no place to declare the Creator was a fool. But if you create an AI that is flawed and thoughtless, do you free the disk space for a new attempt? Do you let the program hang in a loop forever out of respect for its unique code? And if another human does not have sentience, by your view of human value is it acceptable to end that unthinking mass of tissue's waste of resources? Or do you keep it alive because it represents a unique genetic combination, however useless it might be? And how do you judge if it is sentient or not? How do you judge if its sufficiently sentient? Can you kill the half-formed? The crippled? The diseased? Do you respect only perfect sentience? And are you somehow above being weighed yourself? And while you might answer these questions morally, might another answer differently with your mind in the balance? And how can we tolerate someone who thinks themselves fit to judge?

I'm bending Godwin's Law to a good 90 degree flex right now. Don't make me push it any further.

Also I may be ranting.

[nbonaparte]

We should go start a forum game: Luddite War.

On a more serious note, Nikov, I'm not going to be nice. The belief in a creator likely implies a belief in sentient beings being more than the sum of their parts. That is entirely incompatible with AI, and deserves no place in this thread.

[Criptfeind]

So only atheists can talk about morality?

[Sergius]

The alien spaceship is in his sights. His finger is on the Fire button. Johnny Maxwell is about to set the new high score on the computer game Only You Can Save Mankind.

Suddenly:
We wish to talk.

Huh?
We surrender.

The aliens aren't supposed to surrender -- they're supposed to die! Now what is Johnny going to do with a fleet of alien prisoners who know their rights under the international rules of war and are demanding safe-conduct? It's hard enough trying to save Mankind from the Galactic Hordes. It's even harder trying to save the Galactic Hordes from Mankind.

But it's just a game, isn't it? Isn't it?

[nbonaparte]

So only atheists can talk about morality?

No. but it certainly helps when talking about AI.

[Criptfeind]

Yeahhhhhhh. That is when you go get your money back from the game shop.

No. but it certainly helps when talking about AI.

I do not understand how. I am a atheist but I agree with Nikov on this.