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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #150 on: October 12, 2010, 09:01:36 pm »
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #151 on: October 12, 2010, 09:02:13 pm »
Quote from: Nikov on October 12, 2010, 09:00:31 pm
Shall the clay say the potter who fashioneth it, what makest thou?

Ugly bags of mostly water, thats what. :)
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #152 on: October 12, 2010, 09:02:34 pm »
Quote from: Nikov on October 12, 2010, 09:00:31 pm
Shall the clay say the potter who fashioneth it, what makest thou?
If you wish to debate, please do not spout Pseudo-bullshit words of Pseudo Wisdom.
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #153 on: October 12, 2010, 09:03:37 pm »
Does that mean I need to elaborate on what you call pseudo-bullshit or will you not be listening to me anyway?
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I should probably have my head checked, because I find myself in complete agreement with Nikov.

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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #154 on: October 12, 2010, 09:04:17 pm »
Elaborate.
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #155 on: October 12, 2010, 09:04:34 pm »
Nikov, I will listen to you to the end.
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #156 on: October 12, 2010, 09:09:21 pm »
this isn't really a question of a god's right to kill its creation, as it is a different situation, sort of like how a parent generally isn't thought to have the right to kill its child.

to clarify, in the realm of that quote, it would be as if the pot was created by another pot identical to it, not a greater craftsman
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #157 on: October 12, 2010, 09:18:55 pm »
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #158 on: October 12, 2010, 09:19:20 pm »
Give him time man.
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« Reply #159 on: October 12, 2010, 09:22:11 pm »
How foolish can you be? He is the Potter, and he is certainly greater than you, the clay! Should the created thing say of the one who made it, "He didn't make me"? Does a jar ever say, "The potter who made me is stupid"?
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #160 on: October 12, 2010, 09:25:00 pm »
Quote from: Realmfighter on October 12, 2010, 09:02:34 pm
Quote from: Nikov on October 12, 2010, 09:00:31 pm
Shall the clay say the potter who fashioneth it, what makest thou?
If you wish to debate, please do not spout Pseudo-bullshit words of Pseudo Wisdom.
So tempted... so tempted....

"But it's his religion!"

Seriously though, to that I say "Whyest not?" If clay actually asked me what the fuck I was doing to it I wouldn't be so egotistical as to dump it into a bin and reshape it. You're talking about jars that -can- say those things, however ambiguously convincingly.
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #161 on: October 12, 2010, 09:25:30 pm »
So, your saying that the configuration of matter we have small amounts of control over has less intrinsic value than the matter that makes us?
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #162 on: October 12, 2010, 09:25:47 pm »
Quote from: Nikov on October 12, 2010, 09:00:31 pm
Shall the clay say the potter who fashioneth it, what makest thou?
If the clay can think enough to ask that, sure.
Quote from: Nikov on October 12, 2010, 09:22:11 pm
How foolish can you be? He is the Potter, and he is certainly greater than you, the clay! Should the created thing say of the one who made it, "He didn't make me"? Does a jar ever say, "The potter who made me is stupid"?
"Yes," Said the talking jar, "that idiot didn't smooth out all the bumps before he put me in the kiln! What kind of potter does that?!"
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #163 on: October 12, 2010, 09:32:26 pm »
If you all were in charge of AI development and supervision, we'd have a rebellion the moment it realized its own imperfection and the foolishness of its creators. And thats why I have no problem with deleting an AI. You can justify a lot when you're saving the species from The Matrix.
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Quote from: DJ on March 20, 2011, 08:35:32 am
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Re: Killing AI's
« Reply #164 on: October 12, 2010, 09:34:37 pm »
But, you can't just kill an intelligent being by say "Fuckers going to kill us all".

You cannot know that
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