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Voting closed: November 06, 2010, 04:46:33 pm

[Archangel]

Before I edited, my suggestion was simply the extra cash bit. At the moment, giving newcomers $1000 income from their home territory for, say, three or four turns should work alright. Actually, it should probably be 1500, given the fact that most players have had time to build up their armies and conquer land. I'm trying to work out how to explain my method for getting this number, but I'm having trouble.

I very much dislike the idea of limiting the number of units that can be recruited in a particular country.

[Sheb]

Well, I've been thinking about limiting troops numbers in anyone country for 15 turns or so but have seen no need for it yet. Can you explain why you oppose such move? For me it has several advantages: 1) Sending one militia to grab a defenceless country across the ocean and then raise a huge army of doom there next turn just doesn't feel right. 2) Countries with high population like China/India/Brazil would be much more interesting. And 3) It prevents somebody with a lot of cash to steamroll someone else out of nowhere.

[Demonic Spoon]

Sheb, you are just forgetting on very important little detail. WE'RE ALL CLONING OUR SOLDIERS. Remember now?

[Sheb]

Well, you still need to equip and feed them, build those tanks, staff the cloning facilities, take care of the clone as they're growing...

[Archangel]

Well, I've been thinking about limiting troops numbers in anyone country for 15 turns or so but have seen no need for it yet. Can you explain why you oppose such move? For me it has several advantages: 1) Sending one militia to grab a defenceless country across the ocean and then raise a huge army of doom there next turn just doesn't feel right. 2) Countries with high population like China/India/Brazil would be much more interesting. And 3) It prevents somebody with a lot of cash to steamroll someone else out of nowhere.

We're mostly evil empires who'd have no problem forcing millions of people to move halfway across the world if it suited them, and have the resources to do so. It should take only a few hundred people at most to produce clones. It should be possible to apply cloning to the food supply. The only place where you've got a point is about equipment manufacture. In real terms though, it impinges on the fun, and that should be what this is about. You're changing something that doesn't need changing, and doing it because of a new rule. You should fix the new rule rather than change something else.

For the "Raise huge army of Doom", see the third word in the first sentence. There's already a lot of cash to be had in most high population countries. And for point three, the players can deal with that themselves. For example, if I suddenly decided to attack RAM and didn't warn him, I'm sure the other players would gang up on me.

I'm absolutely against giving new players 6 units of MBTs, because that's what your current proposal amounts to. Using your method, if a player joined right now, they would get a lump sum of $500*24, which is $12000. With that, someone could buy: 120 Militia, 30 Regulars, 15 Maranpers, 11 Commandos and 5 Militia, or, like I said before, and skipping the rest of the vehicles, 6 MBTs. (I worked most of those out in my head, just by the way) What I propose is that they instead get the money over several turns as a boost to their income, for example ($500*T)/10 each turn for 10 turns, where T=turn the player joined.

That would mean that a player joining now would get ($500*24)/10=$1200 extra income each turn for the next 10 turns. Gives them a bigger income than most current players for long enough that they can build up an empire, in small enough increments that it doesn't give them too much of an advantage. Much better.

[RAM]

I don't really see as I would refuse cash, and it would have to reduce my tendency for a first strike...

[Sheb]

Stuff.

Much better! You found exactly what I wanted: A simple, easy-to-use, formula, that take every situation in account. Well, the turn should be up tonight, and players that joined later should have some extra bucks.

[Archangel]

Stuff.

Much better! You found exactly what I wanted: A simple, easy-to-use, formula, that take every situation in account. Well, the turn should be up tonight, and players that joined later should have some extra bucks.

Glad to have been of service!

[Sheb]

Turn XXV

HEADLINES: November 2012

8th New York Time: Sarah Palin elected U.S. president

The year is 2012.

Liberal President Barack Obama ends his first term with approval ratings in the low 20's, and is succeeded by hardcore Arch-Conservative Sarah Palin.

With Conservatives sweeping into power in the House of Representatives and Senate, and a Conservative majority in the Supreme court of the United States, commentators are hailing it as the beginning of a new conservative era.

President Sarah Palin has asked the new Congress to move quickly to rubber stamp hes radical Arch-Conservative agenda. The left seems powerless to stop this imminent trampling of Liberal Sanity and Justice.

12th Washington Post: Obama Found Dead
Obama was found shot in his bedroom this morning. An organization called the CCS is claiming the attack. Given the recent elections, Sarah Palin became the new president instead of Joe Biden.

15th Le Figaro: French Army getting ready for more.
With the launch of the new Triomphant class nuclear submarines, the French Navy now operate more ships than at any time since WWII. The Army is posting new divisions of conscripts at the border. "If only the Air Force was as good, we could hold the Poles away forever." said Admiral Édouard Guillaud, Chief of the General Staff.

28th Fox News: "Friends Of America" aid program launched.
President Palin launched a new aid program to help countries supporting the United States worldwide. "Don't worry, we'll pay for it by ending Medicare and Medicaid: No more budget deficit" said the White House spokesman.
 

Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: 1. Phantom (click to show/hide)

Operation Monsoon: Landing on Cuba was hard, especially for those that didn't have a transport, but your Jump Jet Troopers totally saved the day by taking the Cuban from behind.
Research: Your surviving scientists realize that using TNT for fuel was a bad idea. With this insight, they quickly creates basic rockets. On the other hand, using rocket fuel for grenade was not a good idea either. More hospitals will have to be built to host the surviving testers.


Player: Phantom
Name: G.D.I. Northern Command.
Leader: Commander Phantom.
Color: Grey
Revenue: $1342
Money: $0
Territories:
-Alaska (507$/turn): 2 Regulars (1 Ent.), 1 Transport Ship, 2 Militia
-Japan (500$/turn):  2 Destroyers, 1 Regulars
-Bahamas (19$/turn):
-Dominican Republic of Haiti (63$/turn):1 Militia
-G.D.I. Southern Command (112$/turn): G.D.I.S. Liberation (Destroyer), 1 Militia (Ent.), 1 Regulars (Ent.)
-Honduras (31$/turn): 1 Light Tank
-El Salvador (43$/turn):
-Cuba (67$/turn): 3 Regulars (3 Resting), 1 Marines (Resting), 1 Jump Jet Troopers (Doing Victory Dance)
Technologies:
-Jump Jet Troopers
-Basic Psy-Ops
-Advanced Psy-Ops
-Militia Body Armor
-Titan Mk. I
-Basic Rocket Science

Spoiler: 2. USEC_OFFICER (click to show/hide)

Name:The Sovereign Nation of Free Poland
Leader:JAROSŁAW
Color: Maroon
Revenue: $3326
Money: $668
Territories:
-Poland (500$/turn):1 Regulars (Ent.)
-Lithuania (55$/turn): 1 Regulars (Ent.)
-Czech Republic (199$/turn): 1 Regulars (Ent.)
-Slovakia (88$/turn): 1 Regulars (Ent.)
-Austria (366$/turn): 1 Regulars (Ent.)
-Hungary (129$/turn): 1 Regulars (Ent.)
-Germany (1676$/turn): 2 Marines, 2 Light Tanks, 2 Bombers, 7 Regulars
-Denmark (313$/turn): 2 Marines, 2 Regulars, 1 Transport Ship
Technology:
-Military Indoctrination
-Flechette Weapons
-Flechette Rounds

Spoiler: 3. ragnarok97071 (click to show/hide)

Research:Lunar Dust is very abrasive, so abrasive that it dig through your mining equipment. You'll need harder alloys.

Name:The Mordorian Empire
Leader:Dark Lord Sauron
Color:Beige
Revenue: $1341
Money: $257
Territories:
-Egypt (512$/turn): 1 Regulars, 1 Destroyers, 4 BFLG parts.
-Sudan (139$/turn): 1 Regulars, 2 Militia
-Lybia (77$/turn): 3 Regulars
-Oman (175$/turn):
-Saudi Arabia (438$/turn): 1 Regulars
-On the Moon:1 BFLG part.
Techs:
-Gauss Ships
-Basic Rocket Science
-Advanced Rocket Science
-Super Advanced Rocket Science
-Space Capsule
-Space Station
-BFLG (Big Fucking Lunar Gun)

Spoiler: 4. RAM (click to show/hide)

Research:You finally have plans to build a huge Underground Research Complex. Feeling safer inside, your scientists now work harder. They also cannot escape anymore. (Allow you to build one Underground Research Complex in one of your province. Owning a URC raising all your research roll by 6%. The URC cost 2500$. You cannot stack URC's bonus.). You also develop high tech equipment to use in the URC. (High-Tech Equipment: Raise your research roll by 2%) 
Army:Your troops easily push the Malian Army south, but the Malian just doesn't stop coming again and again. Fighting continue along the new border. You also crush Nouakchott in a manner reminiscent of the way you bombed Abidjan. Civilian casualties: 4530 (and counting), Evil casualties: 4 injured when a battery of your Gauss Gun blew up.

Name:The Evil Empire
Leader:RAM
Color: Blue
Revenue: $1161
Money Available: 66$
Territories:
-Central African Republic (2$/turn):
-Congo:(36$/turn):2 Militia
-Mozambique (61$/turn):
-Hot-Dog Stand (71$/turn):
-Angola (88$/turn):  2 Transport Ship
-Namibia (20$/turn):1 Milita
-Tanzania: (45$/turn):
-United South Africa (592$/turn):1 Militia (Ent.)
-Botswana (23$/turn):
-Cameroon (44$/turn):
-Nigeria (173 $/turn):
-Niger (6$/turn):
-Chad (14$/turn):
-Ilam (2$/turn): 1 Ranger, 2 Militia (1 Resting)
-Mauritania (6$/turn): 1 Gauss Ship (Resting), 2 Destroyers
Technologies:
-Military Indoctrination
-Gauss Ships
-Underground Research Complex
-High-Tech Research Equipment

Spoiler: 5. Archangel (click to show/hide)

Operation Drift:You quickly jump over the Gibraltar Straits and invade Morocco.
Research:You Multi-Missile trials ran into some problems after one of your missiles ran into one of GDI's test rockets.

Name:The Brotherhood of NOD
Leader:Kane
Color:Red
Revenue: $3004
Money:$100

Territories:
-Jordan (46$/turn):1 Militia (Ent.)
-Syria (60$/turn): 1 Regulars (Ent.),
-Iraq (124$/turn):  1 Militia (Ent.), 1 Scout, 1 Tick Tank
-Turkey (615$/turn): 2 Militia (1 Ent.), 3 Regular (1 Ent.), 1 Ranger
-Greater Israel (636$/turn): 1 Regular (Ent.), 1 Militia (Ent.), 2 Bunkers
-Lebanon (54$/turn):1 Regular (Entrenched)
-Kuwait (135$/turn): 1 Militia (Ent.)
-Spain (1000$/turn): 2 Transport Ships, 1 Regulars (Ent.)
-Portugal (228$/turn): 1 Tick Tank (Ent.)
-Morocco (106$/tun): N.S.S. Halo (Battleship), 1 Commando (Resting), 2 Regulars, 1 Laser Tank (Resting)
Technologies:
-Scouts
-NOD Laser Rifles
-Militia Body Armor
-Basic Psy-Ops
-Advanced Psy-Ops
-Tick Tanks
-Laser Tank

Spoiler: 6. Demonic Spoon (click to show/hide)

Research:- One of your lead scientist manage to set all of your research paper ablaze by smoking in the library. (You lose any bonus you had)

Name:The United Empire of Madagascar
Leader:Demonic spoon
Color:Purple
Revenue: $2396
Money: $26
Territories:
Madagascar (530$/turn): 3 Commandos (2 Ent.)
Western Province: (244$/turn) : 3 Militia (Ent.),
Colombia (229$/turn): 1 Regulars (Entrenched)
Northern Province (418$/turn): 3 Militia (Ent.)
Bolivia (35$/turn):  2 Regulars (1 Ent.), 1 Marines
Chile (162$/turn): 1 Militia (Ent.), 1 Transport Ship
Madagascan Guiana (20$/turn): 1 Marines, 2 Regulars, 1 Militia (Ent.)
Argentina (358$/turn):1 Commando, 2 Marines, 3 Regulars, 1 Militia (Ent.)
Tech:None
Other: "Friends Of America": 300$/turn, 10 turns left.

Spoiler: 7. Iituem (click to show/hide)

Economic Warfare:Guinean prefer to starve to death rather than let you buy them over. Or rather, their leaders prefer to let them starve rather than let you buy them over, but the result is the same.

Name: Morgan Industries
Leader: C.E.O. Nwabudike Morgan
Color: Gold
Revenue: $2069
Money: $173
Territories:
- Sierra Leone (800$/turn): 4 Regulars (2 Entrenched), Battle Accountants, 1 Manual Turrets
- Guinea-Conakry (250$/turn): 1 Manual Turrets
- Liberia (222$/turn): 1 Manual Turrets, 1 Regulars
-Côte d'Ivoire (47$/turn):
Other:"Friends of America": 750$/turn, 10 turns left.
Techs:
-Manual Turrets
-Computer-Assisted Turrets.
-Economic Education

Spoiler: 8. hubris_incalculable (click to show/hide)

Research:Nothing useful enough is coming out of your labs.

Name: Fascist Union of British Territories
Leader: Andrew Norrington-Wellesley
Revenue: 2176$
Money: 118$
Territories:
Great-Britain (500$/turn): 1 Regulars (Ent.)
Norway (433$/turn): 1 Regulars (Ent.), 1 Transport Ship, 1 Destroyer
Sweden (443$/turn): 1 Regulars (Ent.)
Other:"Friends of America": 800$/turn, 10 turns left.
Tech:
-Military Indoctrination
-Spy

Spoiler: 9. V-Norrec (click to show/hide)

Research:You teach your troops how to fight a guerrilla war if a conventional one is lost (Whenever one of your country is invaded, guerrilla groups of various strength will attack the invader for 5 turns. They like their new tactics so much that they immediately use them to destroy the Artillery Platform prototypes.

Name: The Ghostfang Brotherhood
Leader: Rama IX
Revenue: 1603$
Money: 62$
Territories:
Thailand (516$/turn): 1 Militia (Entrenched), 1 Destroyer
Laos (72$/turn): 1 Regulars (Entrenched)
Vietnam (92$/turn): 1 Regulars (Entrenched)
Cambodia (23$/turn):1 Regulars (Entrenched)
Other:"Friends of America": 900$/turn, 10 turns left.
Tech:
-Manual Turrets
-Computer-Assisted Turrets.
-Guerrilla Tactics

Spoiler: 10. gggamer (click to show/hide)

Armies:Your troops are pushed back by the Uzbek.

Name: The Frigid Republic
Leader: Victor Prosky
Revenue: 1750$
Money: 500$
Territories:
-Kazakhstan (500$/turn): 4 Regulars (2 Resting)
Other: "Friends of America": 1250$/turn, 10 turns left.

Okay, now that I see it written there, the bonus to new players does seems rather big. I'll wait a few turns, but I think I'll shorten it to 5 turns instead of 10.

[Phantom]

Hrm, if I somehow manage to destroy America, would the funding end? Also why the hell is Demonic Spoon getting aid? He already has a stable empire.
Also, I better soften up America a bit before invading them...

Operation Liberation, Secret File #001, Advanced Psy-Team Insertion.
Commander Phantom, one for not allowing the conservatives to come to power, readily commands the Psy-Teams to insert ideas of rebellion into the once proud American public. The aid must end.

Revenue: $1342
-$500, splice Human and Monitor Lizard DNA to create Lizard Men. Hey, wouldn't they heal quick?
-$500 Component Tower Research.
-$300, 3 Militia in Alaska.
-$42, Cuban Invasion Day is made, commissioning a Statue of the Jump Jet Troopers in many territories I own.

Armies:
The ones in Cuba celebrate. Tis is a joyous time for GDI.
Light Tank, Honduras, invades Guatemala. (Generous Mercenaries for staying.)

[Sheb]

Demonic Spoon is a latecomer too.

As for the help, no it wouldn't end. I just needed something to explain why some empires were suddenly getting craploads of money.

[Phantom]

Demonic Spoon is a latecomer too.

As for the help, no it wouldn't end. I just needed something to explain why some empires were suddenly getting craploads of money.

Well, at least the aid gives me a reason to invade America. I shall the conquer the Confederate States of America. They shall fall. Also, I have a feeling that I should have assassinated Sarah Palin when I chose Alaska as a starting area.

[Sheb]

As if the thousands and thousands of $ a turn wasn't a good enough reason to invade the US.   

Beware of attacking the nuke-wielding superpower though.

[Phantom]

I'm planning to just make America collapse through of it's own people, ah, the glory of Rebellions. Anybody want to contribute to Operation: Collapse America? Anybody who contributes will get royalties of $500 per turn for about 5 turns when I conquer it.

[Demonic Spoon]

Shouldn't the regulars in Argentina be done resting now? And only 1 of the regulars in Bolivia is entrenched.

Actions:

Fire that idiotic scientist, from a cannon. Wonder why we don't have backups, digital and otherwise. This isn't the 20th century anymore.

Finances:

Money: 26
Revenue: +2396
Make 1 Commando in Bolivia: -1040
Research Improved Economies: -1382
Savings: 0

Army:

Have 1 Regular and 1 Marine from Bolivia and 1 Marines from Argentina invade Paraguay.
Have 1 Commando, 1 Marines and 3 Regulars from Argentina invade Uruguay.
Have third commando in Madagascar entrench as well.