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KaguroDraven

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Re: PeTA
« Reply #90 on: October 09, 2010, 03:17:46 pm »

Fair enough reason I suppose and a good one. Though I was argueing from a merely ethical standpoint, eating anything except your own species is acceptible unless absolutely nessicary, your reason against it is completely logical. I'll back out of the argument for now, lest one of us gets angry and begins flameing or something.
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Re: PeTA
« Reply #91 on: October 09, 2010, 04:33:58 pm »

No cannibalism. Sapient species have rights over that of non-sapient species. We shouldn't torture them or anything, but the truth is that we need food, and they are a food source to us.
Sounds like some arbitrary rules pulled out of one's arse.
If you have somthing better, go ahead.
It's funny because, "We shouldn't eat them because they're sapient" is as arbitrary as, "We shouldn't eat them because they're sentient" is as arbitrary as "We shouldn't eat them because they're alive" is as arbitrary as "We shouldn't eat them because they're made of matter" is as arbitrary as "We shouldn't eat them because they exist."
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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« Reply #92 on: October 09, 2010, 04:38:45 pm »

Cannibalism being a no-no is probably a byproduct of biological influence. When you eat something the same species as you, you are so so so much more likely to pick up any diseases inside of your meal. Cannibalism is a very risky practice, which probably lead to it being discouraged long long ago in human history.

That's why we eat other animals, because they are different enough that we are far less likely to pick up any diseases they may be carrying upon consumption.

I'm all for eating animals, personally. I just think animal cruelty is pretty fucked, as well as killing for fur. I guess I'm a moderate animal rights activist, being semi-vegan and all.
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« Reply #93 on: October 09, 2010, 04:40:00 pm »

Not as arbitrary.

And is there anything that exists that is not matter?
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« Reply #94 on: October 09, 2010, 04:44:11 pm »

How can you be semi-vegan? That's like being semi-alive, or something.

And I generally don't take Greenpeace, PETA, Sea Shepherd etc. seriously. They're rather silly if you ask me.

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Not as arbitrary.

And is there anything that exists that is not matter?

Antimatter.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2010, 04:46:23 pm by lordnincompoop »
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« Reply #95 on: October 09, 2010, 04:47:16 pm »

It means, I will try to eat vegan as much as possible, but if it's an inconvenience for someone I'm with, I can eat vegetarian or even meat if I really have to.
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« Reply #96 on: October 09, 2010, 04:48:35 pm »

EDIT:
Not as arbitrary.

And is there anything that exists that is not matter?

Antimatter.
Energy.
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« Reply #97 on: October 09, 2010, 04:51:20 pm »

Yes, those things. Incidentally, I'm not saying arbitrary is necessarily bad here, I'm saying I don't think it's possible to make a judgment of this kind for non-arbitrary reasons. There are also tons of non-arbitrary reasons (disease, etc) for not eating SPECIFIC other creatures, but there's no sapience-related reason that isn't arbitrary.

EDIT: To the post below, I was mostly thinking of energy anyway. Photons and suchlike.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2010, 04:57:21 pm by Bauglir »
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: PeTA
« Reply #98 on: October 09, 2010, 04:56:18 pm »

Antimatter is matter as well, confusingly.  E=mc2 and all that.  /nitpick

edit: Energy is matter.  The two are different sides of the same coin.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2010, 05:01:12 pm by BigJake »
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« Reply #99 on: October 09, 2010, 04:58:15 pm »

There are also tons of non-arbitrary reasons (disease, etc) for not eating SPECIFIC other creatures, but there's no sapience-related reason that isn't arbitrary.
Well... They could try to eat you back.
That would count as non-arbitrary, in some circles.
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« Reply #100 on: October 09, 2010, 04:59:18 pm »

Yes there is.  It's dreadfully impolite, and a sapient creature might get offended if you eat one of their kind.  Wouldn't want to be rude, would we?


EDIT:
Not as arbitrary.

And is there anything that exists that is not matter?

Antimatter.
Energy.

E=MC2.  So, by that token, energy exists but is also matter.  Sort of.

And I thought it was fairly tricky to decide if antimatter really "exists" or not...  But that's mainly a semantics issue, I'd assume.



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« Reply #101 on: October 09, 2010, 05:01:59 pm »

Antimatter is a type of matter, so it does not count.
Maybe.
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« Reply #102 on: October 09, 2010, 05:02:49 pm »

There are also tons of non-arbitrary reasons (disease, etc) for not eating SPECIFIC other creatures, but there's no sapience-related reason that isn't arbitrary.
Well... They could try to eat you back.
That would count as non-arbitrary, in some circles.
Yes, and "They will eat us in turn" has nothing to do with their sapience. There is also the possibility of a sapient race that wouldn't object that strenuously, or might be violently allergic to humans and/or incapable of inflicting harm on us. My point is that's a reason that ISN'T inherent to being sapient.
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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« Reply #103 on: October 09, 2010, 05:24:54 pm »

I am almost certain light does not exist.
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« Reply #104 on: October 09, 2010, 05:26:22 pm »

My point is that's a reason that ISN'T inherent to being sapient.
Not an actual physical reason, no, but no matter what argument you make, people will still say it is "wrong".
Differences of morality, and such.

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