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Author Topic: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping  (Read 26849 times)

Naryar

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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2011, 07:04:51 pm »

An aside: Real volcanic eruptions in the game would be terrifying. Imagine having to face a pyroclastic flow.

Seeing how nearly every volcano in DF is a Hawaaian type, I don't see much pyroclastic flows coming forth.

Though more realistic volcanoes and eruptions would be awesome.

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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2011, 07:35:48 pm »

The Nature Arc, including volcanoes, thunderstorms, floods, etc.  Should happen, eventually.  After the caravan and army arc, and whatever is after those.

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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2011, 08:16:17 pm »

On the concept of magma pistons: If you had a piston that extended 5 levels above the surface, and had it above a reservoir that was 5 levels deep, then when dropped, would 5 levels of magma suddenly appear above-ground?  Could we create an insta-flood of magma by suddenly generating a 20 tall tower of magma?
That's basically what i had planned, Just haven't gotten around to it yet, although i would have gone with a 20x20x20 cube piston with a 20x20x20 reservoir and some sort of resettable system to drop the old piston into the magma sea, cast a new piston and refill the reservoir...... But an above ground reservoir dumper would probably work easier.
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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2011, 08:42:27 pm »

Actually, I've been thinking about a rapid liquid applicator.  Be it magma or water, the goal will simply be to output as much water as possible in as short a time as possible.  This involves several pumps facing towards a center tile, so that the fluid is being pushed to one central column.  When this column is opened at the bottom, it will NOT enjoy pressure from the chamber, as the 4 pumps facing inwards will clog the area and prevent regular pressurization.  However, it WILL enjoy pump pressure, which can be several magnitudes more terrifying.  Anyone who's toyed with pressurized pumps before will know how this works, with a pump pressing water into a tunnel it can move water at a rate of 7/7 every few frames, which is enough to rush through a pipe pretty quickly and overflow it.  However, 4 pumps facing a central open shaft, will pump 4x as much liquid, giving a faster flow.  5 layers deep, that's 20 pumps providing constant pressure down a tube that will far surpass traditional pressurization.  Done correctly, this can easily result in superpressure pumps that can deliver a solid 1 tile wide tube of liquid to nearly any corner of the map near-instantly, promptly overflowing.  This could be used to have one central reservoir that can instantly cause several locations to overflow, not from timing of valve release but simply from speed of fluid.  The pressure would be so high as to make the flow of liquid nearly instant!

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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2011, 09:34:45 pm »

Actually, I've been thinking about a rapid liquid applicator.  Be it magma or water, the goal will simply be to output as much water as possible in as short a time as possible.  This involves several pumps facing towards a center tile, so that the fluid is being pushed to one central column.  When this column is opened at the bottom, it will NOT enjoy pressure from the chamber, as the 4 pumps facing inwards will clog the area and prevent regular pressurization.  However, it WILL enjoy pump pressure, which can be several magnitudes more terrifying.  Anyone who's toyed with pressurized pumps before will know how this works, with a pump pressing water into a tunnel it can move water at a rate of 7/7 every few frames, which is enough to rush through a pipe pretty quickly and overflow it.  However, 4 pumps facing a central open shaft, will pump 4x as much liquid, giving a faster flow.  5 layers deep, that's 20 pumps providing constant pressure down a tube that will far surpass traditional pressurization.  Done correctly, this can easily result in superpressure pumps that can deliver a solid 1 tile wide tube of liquid to nearly any corner of the map near-instantly, promptly overflowing.  This could be used to have one central reservoir that can instantly cause several locations to overflow, not from timing of valve release but simply from speed of fluid.  The pressure would be so high as to make the flow of liquid nearly instant!

..... mind = blown.

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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2011, 09:46:08 pm »

Actually, the most intended use of mine was large-scale drowning.  I'm playing Fortress Defense, and you can easily have two hundred hostile units on the screen at once.  This drowning chamber will be no smaller than 20x50, with some rather significant water pressure and tunnel systems in place to encourage smooth, rapid, and theatrical drowning.  Granted, some of the enemies in FD don't breathe, so there will be a system in place to drain the water down to 1 layer, so that my army can jump in and swim over to kill any survivors.  Only once all enemies are slain will the area be completely emptied.

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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2011, 12:18:11 am »

Shameless self-promotion for the purpose of educating about a variant of the weapon system invented by the OP:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=77353
(Aimable Volcanic Eruption Magma Superweapon)

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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2011, 04:09:56 pm »

Oh. My. Armok.
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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2011, 02:22:24 pm »

I suppose this would work just as well with Water, to flood the world, making a dwarven sub?
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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2011, 07:50:43 pm »

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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2011, 08:05:25 pm »

This seems to be a good invasion deterrent.
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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2011, 03:29:12 pm »

This seems to be a good invasion deterrent.


Total incineration is a *slightly* effective way of roasting everything on the map.

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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2011, 03:36:41 pm »

This seems to be a good invasion deterrent.


Total incineration is a *slightly* effective way of roasting everything on the map.

Also a heck of a way to tell the elves to go screw themselves.

In fact, do it on a river tile with a seperate water pump system, and you could possibly encase the entire map in obsidian, like a shiny black Pompeii.

And then maybe engrave it. Engrave it all.
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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2011, 11:25:32 pm »

This seems to be a good invasion deterrent.


Total incineration is a *slightly* effective way of roasting everything on the map.

Also a heck of a way to tell the elves to go screw themselves.

In fact, do it on a river tile with a seperate water pump system, and you could possibly encase the entire map in obsidian, like a shiny black Pompeii.

And then maybe engrave it. Engrave it all.

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Re: Mechanical Erupting Volcano + Fast Magma Pumping
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2011, 02:55:20 am »

Such a neat invention must be kept alive, for !!SCIENCE!!
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