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[Quietust]

In Dwarf Fortress 0.31.12, Elven diplomats incorrectly arrived with the caravan (as if they were a liaison), gave the Dwarven greeting, proposed a tree cutting quota, then departed with the Dwarven farewell message. When version 0.31.13 fixed this, it also completely eliminated tree cutting quotas from the game. I did an experiment with a fortress in 0.31.14 and I've found that it's possible to bring them back, complete with the behavior they were supposed to follow all along.

Edit raw/objects/entity_default.txt, locate the position definition for RANGER_CAPTAIN, then copy/paste the following code directly below it:

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[POSITION:DIPLOMAT]
[NAME:Diplomat:Diplomats]
[NUMBER:1]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_INTRODUCTIONS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_PEACE_AGREEMENTS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_TOPIC_AGREEMENTS]
[APPOINTED_BY:DRUID]
[PRECEDENCE:70]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[COLOR:7:0:1]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[SLEEP_PRETENSION]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[ACCOUNT_EXEMPT]
[DUTY_BOUND]
Once your Baron(ess) is appointed, a Diplomat will silently arrive at the beginning of the next Spring, scold you for your tree cutting (or congratulate you for not cutting down any trees), then leave. Every year afterwards, an elven Diplomat will arrive about a week after the caravan shows up (or possibly during the next season if a siege showed up first) and propose a tree cutting quota, exactly like they did back in 0.28.181.40d and earlier. Even better, if the Diplomat manages to get killed, a new one will be appointed the following year (in fact, due to the "new liaison every year" bug, you'll get a new diplomat every year whether they live or die).

The exact same code (minus the "[APPOINTED_BY:DRUID]" line) can also be added to the Human entity raws (right after the WARRIOR definition) in order to make them send a regular Diplomat instead of their Law-giver (which might be a demon that emits deadly fumes) which should also be replaced each year (whereas the Law-giver's additional responsibilities seemingly makes it ineligible for automatic replacement).

Do note that these changes must be applied prior to world generation.

[arzzult]

You want to bring more elves to our mountain homes? To scold us for cutting down a few worthless trees no less? You beardless heretic! Well unless you only want to to bring them there to kill them or make agreement simply to break them to piss the elves off faster. Or both. Then that's fine.

[magistrate101]

You want to bring more elves to our mountain homes? To scold us for cutting down a few worthless trees no less? You beardless heretic! Well unless you only want to to bring them there to kill them or make agreement simply to break them to piss the elves off faster. Or both. Then that's fine.

i wand them for one reason, and one reason only, CAGE TRAPS!!! seriously though, put a field of cage traps around the depot.... when they come you get free buttmunching treehugging elves to piss on from the ledge of a cliff

(buttmunching because they are cannibals, and cannibals use EVERY part of the body )

[magistrate101]

oh yah, how can i get an elves blood to boil the second i see them? cuz i wanna move in right next to some elven sprawl, and loot the entire damned place

[arzzult]

oh yah, how can i get an elves blood to boil the second i see them? cuz i wanna move in right next to some elven sprawl, and loot the entire damned place

Well do you mean literally or figuratively? If you mean literally you just need to change

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   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]

to

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   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
       [BOILING_POINT:10001]

[magistrate101]

oh yah, how can i get an elves blood to boil the second i see them? cuz i wanna move in right next to some elven sprawl, and loot the entire damned place

Well do you mean literally or figuratively? If you mean literally you just need to change

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   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]

to

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   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
       [BOILING_POINT:10001]

Muahahaha Thank you! 

(~) (E-cookie) for you!

[Quietust]

Well unless you only want to to bring them there to kill them or make agreement simply to break them to piss the elves off faster. Or both. Then that's fine.

This is precisely one of the reasons to bring them back. Another would be for added challenge, in case you somehow don't want the Elves attacking you for cutting down too many trees.

[Dok Enkephalin]

What about trade agreements? I'm not an elf-hater, but don't love them enough to hand them a free deal. If they want to save trees, they'd better bring plenty of wood for cheap, and I can put my woodcutters' axes into the military instead.

Would adding ESTABLISH_COLONY_TRADE_AGREEMENT responsibility break it?

[Quietust]

I doubt it, since then it would have to arrive at the same time as the caravan.

I actually tried creating a "guild representative" for the Humans that had the same responsibility as the Dwarven outpost liaison, but it didn't work - apparently, the logic for merchant nobility is completely broken in version 0.31 and Toady doesn't plan to fix it for a while.

[Knight Otu]

The TRADE responsibility allows diplomats that take trade requests, in my experience.

[Dok Enkephalin]

But I'd want them to bring me more for less to close this deal. If I demand it in a trade agreement, they'll try to mark up the value. It's still a piddling price, but I'd be getting cheated if I didn't simply seize the whole shipment of lumber. Let's see how they like that.

[Quietust]

The TRADE responsibility allows diplomats that take trade requests, in my experience.

Are you absolutely certain about that (i.e. have you actually modded your raws in this exact manner and achieved the stated result)?

[GaxkangtheUnbound]

The TRADE responsibility allows diplomats that take trade requests, in my experience.

Are you absolutely certain about that (i.e. have you actually modded your raws in this exact manner and achieved the stated result)?

I have. My trade lord(liaison) will ask if I want anything.
Dwarves haven't appeared, though. I'm a bit worried.

[Quietust]

Seems to work nicely:

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[POSITION:GUILD_REPRESENTATIVE]
[NAME:Guild Representative:Guild Representatives]
[NUMBER:1]
[RESPONSIBILITY:TRADE]
[PRECEDENCE:40]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[SLEEP_PRETENSION]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[ACCOUNT_EXEMPT]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[COLOR:7:0:1]
[DUTY_BOUND]

My current world was generated with the above Human position responsible for ESTABLISH_COLONY_TRADE_AGREEMENTS instead of TRADE, but after editing the game's memory to change the responsibility, the human caravan indeed arrived with a Guild Representative who spoke to my Mayor (rather than the Broker) to establish a trade agreement (even with the greeting "On behalf of the Merchants' Guild, let me extend greetings to your people. There is much to discuss" and the closing "Again on behalf of the Merchants' Guild, let me bid farewell to you and your stout dwarves.")

I'm not sure how well it'll work when applied alone during worldgen, though, what with foreign units losing their positions when they leave the map - liaisons and diplomats get replaced properly, but the TRADE responsibility might not be enough to trigger it (case in point: the Law Giver doesn't get replaced).

Also, rather oddly, the Humans are offering "liquid" for sale at the end of the Extracts section (right after sea lamprey blood)...

[Dok Enkephalin]

Law givers are genned in worldgen, like monarchs and site leaders (and all those other characters that fortmode-exclusive players never crawl out of their holes to actually see and interact with.)

These merchants and liasons seem to be generated as needed, and though they might hang out in the world, another one will be asspulled at need for seasonal events.