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[xeo]

Hallo

I can't seem to build farm plots *anywhere*. Everywhere I choose (even outside soil) says "no mud for farming" etc.

I saw mention elsewhere that this is a bug, but I haven't seen any causes or solutions. Where should I look / What do I do? I've tried 4 or 5 different world builds and gotten the same result each time, no matter where I try to plant.

thx

[rntrndrw]

You have to irrigate the soil with water. You need mud.

[xeo]

Oohhhhhhhhh.. so no matter what, irrigation is necessary first? Gotcha. I've played a little bit before, only with a much older version where you could drop an outdoor garden pretty much anywhere you wanted.

[Seriyu]

I'm pretty sure you can just plop down plots anywhere outside, despite the fact that it says it needs mud. Unless it's changed from .12

But inside plots will need mud, like rntrndrw said.

[rntrndrw]

Yea I dunno about outside, since I dont grow outdoor plants. But IIRC the bug is that now you need water, even outside.

[Dame de la Licorne]

1) You can place above-ground farmplots and successfully use them without irrigating; in this case the bug is that you get the "no mud for farming" message.

2) You must irrigate any underground rooms before you can place farm plots; in this case the bug (appears to be) that plots built where you haven't dug anything on the level directly beneath (so the plot is essentially sitting on the lower level's soil "walls") should not require mud but still do.

[rntrndrw]

Yes, that is correct. You can grow outside even though you get the message. Im sorry.

[xeo]

I dunno, I seem to recall getting the red X with "no mud for farming" message on plain soil when I was trying to plant outside last night. Anyway, I'll check it again when I get home.

[Lord Darkstar]

Outside farming requires a soil type for farming. You can't use a pure rock spot to farm. And even if you muddy stone on the surface to make a farm spot, you can't grow anything in that muddy stone on the surface if the outside biome doesn't have any plants.

For outside farming, find a "soil" area that has trees and/or bushes growing in it, and put your outside farm there. (Remember to clear your future farm plot of trees.)

Good luck!

[Victuz]

Just as a side note. Outside farming sometimes doesn't work on reclaimed forts. I don't know why but I still encountered that issue in .16.

[Nameless Archon]

Just as a side note. Outside farming sometimes doesn't work on reclaimed forts. I don't know why but I still encountered that issue in .16.

Likely an outgrowth of the "no mud in caverns on reclaim" issue.

[xeo]

Outside farming requires a soil type for farming. You can't use a pure rock spot to farm. And even if you muddy stone on the surface to make a farm spot, you can't grow anything in that muddy stone on the surface if the outside biome doesn't have any plants.

For outside farming, find a "soil" area that has trees and/or bushes growing in it, and put your outside farm there. (Remember to clear your future farm plot of trees.)

Good luck!

That's just it though, it *is* soil, as far as I can tell. Not rock, not  sand, not indoors, not "empty space", not a reclaimed fortress, no trees or plants in the way, just plain green squares (using lazy newb starter pack tileset), outside in the fresh air, and I still get a red X that says "no mud for farming". heh

I've spent.. well, not HOURS trying to plant something, but of the last 5 worlds I genned (trying to find a spot to my liking), not one of them has allowed me to build a single farm plot square, anywhere. They all say I need mud.

[gtmattz]

That's just it though, it *is* soil, as far as I can tell. Not rock, not  sand, not indoors, not "empty space", not a reclaimed fortress, no trees or plants in the way, just plain green squares (using lazy newb starter pack tileset), outside in the fresh air, and I still get a red X that says "no mud for farming". heh

I've spent.. well, not HOURS trying to plant something, but of the last 5 worlds I genned (trying to find a spot to my liking), not one of them has allowed me to build a single farm plot square, anywhere. They all say I need mud.

Regardless of where you are attempting to place the plot you will see the message, yet if the plot is above ground the dwarves will still build it and you will have access to above ground seeds.  Have you actually hit enter when trying to place the aboveground plots, or are you seeing the warning and assuming it will not work? 

BTW, the only 'red x' I can find when trying to place plots is when you try to put one in a completely inaccessible area, then the plot designation turns red and the text 'blocked' comes up in red on the right panel.

[Dame de la Licorne]

I use outdoor farm plots all the time, until I either breach the caverns or set up the necessary irrigation system for underground plots (and permanently for some plants, namely sliver barbs).  Building the above-ground plot in spite of the "no mud for farming" message, I always get useable plots; but only if the plot tiles are on soil/grass tiles.  Pebbles, boulders, exposed bedrock, trees and shrubs all prevent farmplots being built on tiles containing any of those.

[gtmattz]

I use outdoor farm plots all the time, until I either breach the caverns or set up the necessary irrigation system for underground plots (and permanently for some plants, namely sliver barbs).  Building the above-ground plot in spite of the "no mud for farming" message, I always get useable plots; but only if the plot tiles are on soil/grass tiles.  Pebbles, boulders, exposed bedrock, trees and shrubs all prevent farmplots being built on tiles containing any of those.

To alleviate this, and provide a little more security, I channel out the top soil layer and make the plots 1 Z down (or 100z down, if you are feeling frisky), then build a floor over the hole on the surface.  This is possible due to the fact that currently a tile never changes to underground after being above ground, thus allowing all your crops to be grown indoors.