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[Diacritic]

Silver has the general consensus of being superior for blunt weaponry

I'm pretty sure this is wrong.  All of my arena testing shows steel hammers winning vs. silver.

Where you testing versus different armor types? My understanding was that silver hammer damage matched and/or exceeded steel except for against steel armor.

Yes, they should both have no armor/iron armor/steel armor.  Silver should be, by all rights, best for hammer materials due to its weight.

I've only tested with both sides in steel armor, but steel vs. Silver always wins if both sides have steel armor. I guess I can try with lesser armor on both sides later.

[KaguroDraven]

They are not True Dwarven Weapons, but they are acceptible, as they where obviously tributes that the humans made.
Obsidion shortswords are more acceptible than other ones, but still not as Dwarven as an Axe or Hammer.

[Urist Imiknorris]

no use, they're not able to hold them, and it'd be ridiculous if they could. Great axes are 2h to a human. Dwarves wield one handed human swords as claymores. Can you imagine the destruction of a dwarf with a great axe? On second thought, maybe I should mod that in...

they can hold them, they just cant hold a shield at the same time

Only a select few dwarves are large enough to wield a great axe, halberd, pike, two-handed sword, or maul at all. Those who can have to wield them two-handed, and those guys are fairly rare.

[grey9]

Silver has the general consensus of being superior for blunt weaponry

I'm pretty sure this is wrong.  All of my arena testing shows steel hammers winning vs. silver.

Where you testing versus different armor types? My understanding was that silver hammer damage matched and/or exceeded steel except for against steel armor.

Yes, they should both have no armor/iron armor/steel armor.  Silver should be, by all rights, best for hammer materials due to its weight.

I've only tested with both sides in steel armor, but steel vs. Silver always wins if both sides have steel armor. I guess I can try with lesser armor on both sides later.

but back to the point, mace or hammer; is it just preferance?

no use, they're not able to hold them, and it'd be ridiculous if they could. Great axes are 2h to a human. Dwarves wield one handed human swords as claymores. Can you imagine the destruction of a dwarf with a great axe? On second thought, maybe I should mod that in...

they can hold them, they just cant hold a shield at the same time

Only a select few dwarves are large enough to wield a great axe, halberd, pike, two-handed sword, or maul at all. Those who can have to wield them two-handed, and those guys are fairly rare.

like a dwarf that is tall or has a broad body

[Xenos]

Bah, make hammers! Every dwarf knows that Axes and Hammers are the only two truely dwarves weapons!. Crossbows are.....acceptible becouse an armed force needs ranged power, but we don't have to like it! Any melee soldiers other than Hammers and Axedwarves should either be stuck down or used as fodder!

Look at your hammer.  Now look at mine.  Back to yours, now back to mine.  Sadly, your hammer is not mine.  If you made it out of stone like a true dwarf, then it could be like mine, but it would not be mine.  Look down.  Look up, where are you, you're in a temple of eternal suffering dedicated to Armok where elves are burnt in magma.  Whats in your hand, back at me, I have it.  It is a !!kitten tallow roast!!. Now it is Dwarven Beer that menaces with spikes.  Anything is possible when you are a true dwarf.  I'm on an Ampersand.



Personally, I set up squads of each weapon and assign dwarfs to the squad based on what skills they already have, or if they have related skills (pikedwarfs=speardwarfs)  But, from what I have heard, and seen in the tests others have performed is that maces tend to hit more often, but be less severe against armored dwarfs, while hammers are much more severe but less frequent hits.

[KaguroDraven]

Bah, make hammers! Every dwarf knows that Axes and Hammers are the only two truely dwarves weapons!. Crossbows are.....acceptible becouse an armed force needs ranged power, but we don't have to like it! Any melee soldiers other than Hammers and Axedwarves should either be stuck down or used as fodder!

Look at your hammer.  Now look at mine.  Back to yours, now back to mine.  Sadly, your hammer is not mine.  If you made it out of stone like a true dwarf, then it could be like mine, but it would not be mine.  Look down.  Look up, where are you, you're in a temple of eternal suffering dedicated to Armok where elves are burnt in magma.  Whats in your hand, back at me, I have it.  It is a !!kitten tallow roast!!. Now it is Dwarven Beer that menaces with spikes.  Anything is possible when you are a true dwarf.  I'm on an Ampersand.

This Post is an Epic win, this is all.

[grey9]

Personally, I set up squads of each weapon and assign dwarfs to the squad based on what skills they already have, or if they have related skills (pikedwarfs=speardwarfs)  But, from what I have heard, and seen in the tests others have performed is that maces tend to hit more often, but be less severe against armored dwarfs, while hammers are much more severe but less frequent hits.

so i need to choose between power and frequency, i pick power

[doomdome]

What's dwarfier than using the congealed blood of the earth to hack up your enemies?

Using the congealed blood of your enemies. Buy a few barrels of [insert species here, preferably something demonic] blood from the traders, and dump them in the workshop of your next moody weaponsmith. As an added bonus, you can get it in the form of a hammer/axe instead of a puny sword.

[Xenos]

...does that seriously work?    If so, the best artifact would be a platinum and obsidian and elf blood warhammer xD

[Bronimin]

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[Eagle_eye]

well, I'm off the set the freezing point of elf blood to 10060...

[Scruga]

well, I'm off the set the freezing point of elf blood to 10060...

Kinda funny, elves would slowly become hard as stone once they die as their body temperature drops

[Akura]

Wait, stoned elves?

Okay...

Bah, make hammers! Every dwarf knows that Axes and Hammers are the only two truely dwarves weapons!. Crossbows are.....acceptible becouse an armed force needs ranged power, but we don't have to like it! Any melee soldiers other than Hammers and Axedwarves should either be stuck down or used as fodder!

It should be noted that crossbows can be used as hammers, and many dwarves prefer to use it as such as opposed to it's... previously intended role.

[KaguroDraven]

Wait, stoned elves?

Okay...

Bah, make hammers! Every dwarf knows that Axes and Hammers are the only two truely dwarves weapons!. Crossbows are.....acceptible becouse an armed force needs ranged power, but we don't have to like it! Any melee soldiers other than Hammers and Axedwarves should either be stuck down or used as fodder!

It should be noted that crossbows can be used as hammers, and many dwarves prefer to use it as such as opposed to it's... previously intended role.

That is becouse the lowly Crossbowdwarves wish they had been allowed to hold the noble role of Hammerdwarf instead.

[Alastar]

I did some fairly extensive tests on this. While the differences are small enough, it seems that maces > hammers against unarmoured opponents and hammers > maces as can openers.

Materials are... complicated. Density is good (yay for silver!). Toughness is good (yay for steel, since adamantine is entirely too light). Stiffness is good (yay iron!). Steel seems to be best against unarmoured or lightly armoured opponents, silver against heavily armoured ones. Since copper and bronze provide a good compromise, you can make decent blunt weapons out of pretty much anything - the differences are usually quite subtle.

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My preferences:

Bronze maces are balanced weapons for a uniform military. Also, if you somehow get decent morningstars, you have the right skill for a very useful weapon: Flexible weapons have their benefit modeled (high velocity of the business end) but not their drawback (not the full weight of the weapon is behind the blow). Scourges get all the press, but morningstars are generally better (not quite as fast, but more substantial).

Silver hammers are another good choice, as they are the most reliable can openers. While they are also the weakest real weapons against unarmoured opponents, all blunt weapons suck compared to the alternatives there. Side benefit: bashing opponents with crossbows isn't very effective, but it does use the hammer skill.