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« Reply #660 on: March 17, 2011, 06:18:42 pm »

That makes sense. What's strange is that he specified it applied to a fair coin too. Likelihood sounds suitable for predicting the weather.

I'm pleased to say I understood more of that than I expected.

Thanks for explaining guys.
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« Reply #661 on: March 18, 2011, 05:38:29 am »

Also I do not think that a self-referential statement is necessarily atomic. For example, in "Apples are fruit and this statement is false", there are two atomic statements. Although the statement is self-referential, "Apples are fruit" and "This statement is false" are distinct logical statements that can be used separately. On the other hand, trying to divide it into more atomic statements would not be possible2.

2A first clue is given by the fact that there is only 1 logical operator in the sentence, but that is not sufficient, because "Apples, pears and tomatoes are fruit" contains only one logical operator (and), but it's actually 3 atomic statements. A formal analysis would however show that there is no way to break up the 2 statements in the given sentence further so that the parts can be combined back into the original statements using only logical operators.
Although there is only one logical operator given in the sentence, I would argue that this is due to the english language rather than the logical structure of the statement. The comma essentially represents another AND statement.

That makes sense. What's strange is that he specified it applied to a fair coin too. Likelihood sounds suitable for predicting the weather.
Well, you have to remember that the maximum likelihood esitmator is essentially a guess at the parameter. If you are considering a fair coin or a standard roulette wheel, you already know the parameter, and knowing the parameter is much better than guessing it. It's only if you don't know the parameter that you would ever want to use the estimator.
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« Reply #662 on: March 27, 2011, 09:39:14 am »

God I hate this:
If two boats leave at the same time, from the place, and go in the same direction, and after an hour the distance between them is 10km. How do you get the speed of the boats, if you know that the faster boat passes 1 kilometer in 1/2 a minute less than the time the slower boat passes 1 kilometer?
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« Reply #663 on: March 27, 2011, 10:10:10 am »

Let U be the speed of the slower boat, and V be the speed of the faster boat (in kilometres per hour).
After an hour, the distance between them is 10km, so we know V-U=10
You are now told that the hours per kilometer of the faster boat is 1/2 a minute less than the hours per kilometer of the slower boat.
So 1/U-1/V=1/120
so 120V-120U=UV
120(V-U)=UV
1200=UV
1200=U(U+10)
U^2+10U-1200=0
which you can then solve. You will get one positive answer for U and one negative, but the negative one will not work so you need the positive one.
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« Reply #664 on: March 27, 2011, 12:38:36 pm »

Thanks, I tried doing it with only one variable.
Here's another, they get more irritating as you go on:
I have points A, B and C a long a river. The distance between A to B is 20 km. A boat leaves point A and towards point B at 12 kph. An hour later, another boat leaves B, going towards C at 8 kph. The two boats meet at point C.
How do I know how long did it take for the first boat to get to C, and whats the distance from B to C?
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Re: Mathematics Help Thread
« Reply #665 on: March 27, 2011, 12:42:06 pm »

12*t = 8*(t-1)+20
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« Reply #666 on: April 01, 2011, 06:02:52 am »

I've been doing some research into the basic definition of numbers, and I'd just like to make sure that I have everything right.

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I have three questions:

1-Is everything I have donw right? Have I gone wrong somewhere?
2-With the above, it is possible to divide by zero. We can't really do anything with numbers that have been divided by zero (can't use greater than, can't say it is equal to another number), but is still possible. Is this a grave mistake?
3-How does one get to the reals?
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« Reply #667 on: April 01, 2011, 10:03:22 am »

I have no idea how you propose to divide by zero, but okay.  Your proposed definition for division exactly the same as the one for multiplication, also, by the way.  You need to take the reciprocal.  I suspect that there's something very wrong with your system if it allows zero-division, so once I'm done with classes I'll trot out my aulde books of abstract algebra and set theory to see what's happening here.

Anyway, REDACTED.
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« Reply #668 on: April 03, 2011, 12:04:51 pm »

ed boy: Your definition of rationals lacks the property that the denominator "b" must not be 0, thus giving that x/0-numbers. You actually get that x/0 = y/0 if done correctly and x,y nonzero (0/0 still causes problems and should still be forbidden), resulting in what is called the one-dimensional projective space over the rationals; this is only a set, not a "ring" where one can calculate, but has some other uses.
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« Reply #669 on: April 03, 2011, 12:20:40 pm »

ed boy: Your definition of rationals lacks the property that the denominator "b" must not be 0, thus giving that x/0-numbers. You actually get that x/0 = y/0 if done correctly and x,y nonzero (0/0 still causes problems and should still be forbidden), resulting in what is called the one-dimensional projective space over the rationals; this is only a set, not a "ring" where one can calculate, but has some other uses.

Yeah, that about aligns with what I thought.  Thank you for the clearer explanation--and for the information about the one-dimensional projective space over Q.  Hadn't heard of it before.
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« Reply #670 on: April 03, 2011, 12:49:23 pm »

ed boy: Your definition of rationals lacks the property that the denominator "b" must not be 0, thus giving that x/0-numbers. You actually get that x/0 = y/0 if done correctly and x,y nonzero (0/0 still causes problems and should still be forbidden), resulting in what is called the one-dimensional projective space over the rationals; this is only a set, not a "ring" where one can calculate, but has some other uses.
Thank you - that makes a lot of sense.
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« Reply #671 on: April 06, 2011, 04:42:59 am »


Can I get a refresher on radical equations , all the stuff I goggled used defined numbers instead of variables


My roommate has a problem that looks like this, he needs to simply it, we are not math people but I said I would try to figure it out cause I feel stupid for not knowing.

     y
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y-√y


Also what is this operation called?
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« Reply #672 on: April 06, 2011, 04:44:18 am »

Division?  I'm not sure which operation you're talking about.  And, can you tell me what you mean by radical equations?  Sorry, I just don't understand you.

Try multiplying the bottom by y+sqrt(y).
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« Reply #673 on: April 06, 2011, 04:47:30 am »

Also, the top.
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« Reply #674 on: April 06, 2011, 04:49:21 am »

Also, the top.

Whooooops.  Fuck >_>  Thanks for the correction, and time to sleep for me, I guess.
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