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[Nagidal]

I think something which would add flavour and realism to DF would be homosexuality. Could it be that certain small percentage of dwarves would look for a homosexual partner? Let's say the probability would be similar like with humans, i.e. about 4-6% of the Dwarves would be either homosexual (exclusively prefer same-sex partner) or bisexual (do not care about sex and choose either a hetero opposite-sex or a homo same-sex partner).

I'd like it.

[Medicine Man]

I would like it as well but I don't really think it is necesary.

[Urist McMick]

'Twould indeed be a nice flavour element. But it may have to wait until the game is more complete.

[Josephus]

I'd like for this to happen, but currently heterosexual marriage is literally part of the reproductive process for every sentient being in DF, so perhaps not.

Also, the percentage seems low.

[Urist McMick]

Well the homosexual percentage is quite low in rl

[Medicine Man]

Maybe homosexual dwarfs could be discriminated against by other dwarfs? Or maybe executed by a king who hates them? Or even better, given equal rights by a king! for once a noble doing something good.

[Urist McMick]

And why not throw in Bi While we're at it. (Although i was pretty sure Dwarfs were Asexual)

[mrbane]

Check out the Wiki on Dwarves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf for info on sexes, but generally there are females, there tends to be far less females than males, the accepted truth is that the females also grow beards, though some shave them off, and the courting is generally spent finding out what sex the opposite number is.

So I don't think Dawrven society would in any way shape or form accept homosexuality, nor do I to that extent, believe that it would be something that would ever occur.

I don't see why you'd want homosexuality as part of the gameplay. Lets be fair, it's just pointless and adds nothing to the game, and if ever there was a species destined to be un-gay, Dwarves take the lead in my opinion.

[forsaken1111]

Wow, you don't like homosexuals do you?

[Pilsu]

@Bane: That's just working on the stereotype that gays are simpering queens. Besides, DF dwarves are somewhat fleshed out, being more than just beards with a cultural "hat."


Pederasty is more period appropriate.

[mrbane]

Wow, you don't like homosexuals do you?

I'm in the armed forces, there are loads of homosexuals in here, I get on fine with them, go to war with them, go clubbing with them, but really, does it have to even be discussed as a possible feature for a game such as DF? I think DF has far more important areas that need worked on instead of deciding whether the phrase 'I'm off to do some mining' should take on a new, kinky slant.

[forsaken1111]

Wow, you don't like homosexuals do you?

I'm in the armed forces, there are loads of homosexuals in here, I get on fine with them, go to war with them, go clubbing with them, but really, does it have to even be discussed as a possible feature for a game such as DF? I think DF has far more important areas that need worked on instead of deciding whether the phrase 'I'm off to do some mining' should take on a new, kinky slant.

You're talking about a game which attempts to accurately model the damage a mining pick can do to a goblin's face, contains (or used to contain) deviant tentacle demons, has dwarves perpetually covered in vomit, filth and at least 3 types of blood... What's wrong with a little beard on beard action?

[mrbane]

Because the game is not finished. If the day ever comes when Toady stands up and says;
"DF is now as envisaged, all aspects of gameplay has been taken care of, there are no bugs, (Dreaming here) we even have Multiplayer capability.... Would anyone like to see anything else?"

Then I'm happy for the hand to go up and ask for gay Dwarfs. Until that time, it's just a waste of thread space. My own opinion, and opinions always differ.

[Osmosis Jones]

What's wrong with a little beard on beard action?

Just saying, if you play the game like it's meant to be played, that is standard.

Put the []'s in, people!

[Nagidal]

... I don't see why you'd want homosexuality as part of the gameplay. Lets be fair, it's just pointless and adds nothing to the game, ...

Well I use to name some of my dwarves after certain characters they match. One of the characters is a lesbian and so I thought that dwarf would be an even better match if she would be lesbian in DF as well. So that's how this whole idea evolved.

I am aware that there are more serious things which need to be done in DF than this, but I really like to read about my dwarves personalities and like to see some strange things happening by chance. Sexually queer behaviour would be one of such things.

I have tried to find out how probable it would be to have some sexually queer dwarves in a population of 100. If we assume the probability of sexual queerness is 0.04 (4% of the dwarves), there is ...

Chance to have exactly 0 queer dwarves in 100: 2%
Chance to have exactly 1 queer dwarves in 100: 7%
Chance to have exactly 2 queer dwarves in 100: 15%
Chance to have exactly 3 queer dwarves in 100: 20%
Chance to have exactly 4 queer dwarves in 100: 20%
Chance to have exactly 5 queer dwarves in 100: 16%
Chance to have exactly 6 queer dwarves in 100: 10%
Chance to have exactly 7 queer dwarves in 100: 6%
Chance to have exactly 8 queer dwarves in 100: 3%
Chance to have exactly 9 queer dwarves in 100: 1%

If somebody is interested in modelling this, here is the Python 3 script I used for that result :

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#!/usr/bin/python
# -*- coding: UTF_8 -*-

# This Python 3 script models the dwarf populations with sexually queer dwarves.
# It finds out what probability is there to have a certain amount of
# dwarves who are sexually queer.

import random

# Let's have a population of dwarves
# set the number of them here
numberOfDwarvesInPopulation = 100

# How many populations do you want to test?
numberOfTests = 10000

# Now some general behavioral variables:
# The probability of being sexually queer:
queerprobability = 0.04
# From all the queers, this fraction will be homosexual
homoprobability = 0.5
# Those queers who are not homosexual will be bisexual

# Let's model a dwarf's sexual behaviour:
class Dwarf():
def __init__(self):
# Normally, a dwarf is not queer in any way:
self.isqueer = False
self.ishomosexual = False
self.isbisexual = False
# but there is  a chance to be queer:
if random.random() <= queerprobability:
self.isqueer = True
# This dwarf is somehow queer, he may be a homosexual ...
if random.random() <= homoprobability:
self.ishomosexual = True
# ... or a bisexual
else:
self.isbisexual = True

# Prepare a histograms of queer dwarves
queerDwarves = list(map(lambda x: 0, range(numberOfDwarvesInPopulation)))
homosexualDwarves = list(map(lambda x: 0, range(numberOfDwarvesInPopulation)))
bisexualDwarves = list(map(lambda x: 0, range(numberOfDwarvesInPopulation)))

# Go through the population and count the queer ones:
def countTheQueers(population):
numberOfQueers = 0
numberOfHomosexuals = 0
numberOfBisexuals = 0
for dwarf in population:
if dwarf.isqueer:
numberOfQueers = numberOfQueers + 1
if dwarf.ishomosexual:
numberOfHomosexuals = numberOfHomosexuals + 1
if dwarf.isbisexual:
numberOfBisexuals = numberOfBisexuals + 1
return numberOfQueers, numberOfHomosexuals, numberOfBisexuals

# Do this several times:
for i in range(numberOfTests):
# have a population of dwarves
dwarfPopulation = set(map(lambda x: Dwarf(), range(numberOfDwarvesInPopulation)))
# count how many queers there are
numberOfQueers, numberOfHomosexuals, numberOfBisexuals = countTheQueers(dwarfPopulation)
# write it into the histograms
queerDwarves[numberOfQueers] = queerDwarves[numberOfQueers] + 1
homosexualDwarves[numberOfHomosexuals] = homosexualDwarves[numberOfHomosexuals] + 1
bisexualDwarves[numberOfBisexuals] = bisexualDwarves[numberOfBisexuals] + 1

# print the histograms:
for text, histogram in [("queer", queerDwarves), ("homosexual", homosexualDwarves), ("bisexual", bisexualDwarves)]:
print(text, "Dwarves:")
for numberOfDwarves in range(len(histogram)):
if histogram[numberOfDwarves] != 0:
print("Chance to have exactly", str(numberOfDwarves), str(text), "dwarves in", str(numberOfDwarvesInPopulation)+":", str(round((histogram[numberOfDwarves]/numberOfTests) * 100))+"%")
print()