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[DwarfEngineer]

Hi, I'm testing the latest posted mac version, from this thread. (0.6.12b03). Some observations:

Bug:Labels "Construct ?? Crutch (208)" instead of "Clean Self"
As stated before-has two icons- though every mac version I've seen has this.
As opposed to other versions, does not appear to slow DF for the next unpausing after a write- much quicker.
The interface is not perfectly responsive, though still very usable.
Bug:The grid view editor works well, though the attributes (strength, agility, etc) all appear as unknown (-1).
Bug?: The filter dwarves box doesn't appear to do very much, apart from show a hanging filtered list. Expected behavior would be to highlight the selected dwarf.

It appears very stable, having run continuously for over 8 hours (~220 dwarves) with no loss of function.
I'll continue 'testing' and will report back anything else relevant.

Thanks for making all the effort to support OSX, by the way. This is awesome!

I'll second that!

Very impressive, no serious bugs found, a great tool to use!

Thanks very much for the report, glad to hear that it's at least workable.

Also, linux support should be back. I'll for sure try to keep packages up to date for the latest Ubuntu release & LTS release. I'll look into adding debian again at some point as well.
The mac mini is definitely being put to good use - I have automated builds setup for OSX & linux now:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Current plan is:

• Slight hiatus
• Bugfix release
• Feature releases

Of course, I'll continue to try to provide layouts ASAP for new releases.

[ClubFoot]

1. I'm an unusual OSX user in that my main login account is not an administrator. So when something needs admin access, I have to type in the admin's name and password. For some reason, Therapist asks for admin access every time I launch it, so I am having to enter the admin name and password each time. I can live with that, but it's unusual for a program to do that.

I expect there's no getting around that.  Consider what DT does - it reads, then modifies, the working memory of _some other program_.  That's generally a highly questionable thing for an application to do.  OSX notices this, and insists on getting admin access for DT so it knows you know enough about the system you're on to allow it to do that.  Honestly, it's good behavior on the part of an OS.

[ClubFoot]

I think I was making this harder than it needed to be. One more try -
Dwarf Therapist OSX 0.6.12b03

I'll work on the universal version - I don't know that I'll really be able to test it though.

It appears that profession changes are not working.  The existing professions of dwarves are correctly displayed.  Enabling/disabling labors either singly or by selecting a 'profession' toggles the labors correctly.  The profession names are not updated, however,

[benloran]

I expect there's no getting around that.  Consider what DT does - it reads, then modifies, the working memory of _some other program_.  That's generally a highly questionable thing for an application to do.  OSX notices this, and insists on getting admin access for DT so it knows you know enough about the system you're on to allow it to do that.  Honestly, it's good behavior on the part of an OS.

That's an excellent point, and I hadn't really thought about it before, but it makes perfect sense.

[splinterz]

I just wanted to second chrisadam3997's observations. After using the newest attribute enabled DT, like was said, the fact everyone has some sort of attribute makes the display used much less useful. With chrisadam3997's color inclusions, it's about 25% more readable immediately.

I'd suggest using a larger color scale. It may end up looking like rainbow vomit, but it might be worth a try.

So hot = low, cool = high.

Red - Lowest
Yellow - Below Average
Green - Average
Blue  - Above Average
Black - Exceptional

There might be some benefit in investigating a totally different view for attributes. Like, a histogram would be freaking amazing. Better if we were to, say, double click on a dwarf entry and get a re-sizable window for them displaying a histogram of that dwarf's attributes. Actually, it would work smashingly for traits as well, especially if you could mouse over each entry in the histogram and get DF's text description of their trait value. While not necessary, it would preserve the flavor in the current trait view, where it gives you a number and a description.

I appreciate that's probably a fair amount of work for something as non-essential to DT as attributes and traits.

just for fun i did this by modifying the existing fill box to fill from the bottom instead, the results were as you described...

raainnnnbooowwwwvommmiiittt bahahaha

[DwarfEngineer]

I think I was making this harder than it needed to be. One more try -
Dwarf Therapist OSX 0.6.12b03

I'll work on the universal version - I don't know that I'll really be able to test it though.

It appears that profession changes are not working.  The existing professions of dwarves are correctly displayed.  Enabling/disabling labors either singly or by selecting a 'profession' toggles the labors correctly.  The profession names are not updated, however,

Yeah, that's an outstanding issue with linux as well. Basically it has to do with no memory being allocated where therapist can stick the nickname / custom profession name. I'm still looking into options for this, but it will probably (unfortunately) involve code injection or something to that effect.

[ag]

Yeah, that's an outstanding issue with linux as well. Basically it has to do with no memory being allocated where therapist can stick the nickname / custom profession name. I'm still looking into options for this, but it will probably (unfortunately) involve code injection or something to that effect.

I've been running on linux with the patches I posted here for months without any problems:

http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=175

Yes, it is code injection, but you only need to inject 3 bytes to do a controlled mmap syscall. Of course, this is completely linux-specific.

[nenjin]

I just wanted to second chrisadam3997's observations. After using the newest attribute enabled DT, like was said, the fact everyone has some sort of attribute makes the display used much less useful. With chrisadam3997's color inclusions, it's about 25% more readable immediately.

I'd suggest using a larger color scale. It may end up looking like rainbow vomit, but it might be worth a try.

So hot = low, cool = high.

Red - Lowest
Yellow - Below Average
Green - Average
Blue  - Above Average
Black - Exceptional

There might be some benefit in investigating a totally different view for attributes. Like, a histogram would be freaking amazing. Better if we were to, say, double click on a dwarf entry and get a re-sizable window for them displaying a histogram of that dwarf's attributes. Actually, it would work smashingly for traits as well, especially if you could mouse over each entry in the histogram and get DF's text description of their trait value. While not necessary, it would preserve the flavor in the current trait view, where it gives you a number and a description.

I appreciate that's probably a fair amount of work for something as non-essential to DT as attributes and traits.

just for fun i did this by modifying the existing fill box to fill from the bottom instead, the results were as you described...

raainnnnbooowwwwvommmiiittt bahahaha

Yeah, that doesn't look good at all I don't think a histo view would work on that page (as a single page dedicated to one dwarf, it would be readable.)

However trying colors with the symbol sizes *might* be readable.

[anqxyr]

You have my unmeasurable gratitude for a linux version. Some feedback:

• For some reason, launching Therapist with cd /path/; sudo ./DwarfTherapist works, while sudo /path/DwarfTherapist doesn't
• Changing dwarf's professions from Therapist doesn't work. Change is completed without errors, but profession remains the same. Reading professions from DF works correctly.

(Therapist version is 0.6.12, build from source; Linux version is Kubuntu 11.10)

But those are more an annoyance than real problem. Thanks again for a great program.

[DwarfEngineer]

You have my unmeasurable gratitude for a linux version. Some feedback:

• For some reason, launching Therapist with cd /path/; sudo ./DwarfTherapist works, while sudo /path/DwarfTherapist doesn't
• Changing dwarf's professions from Therapist doesn't work. Change is completed without errors, but profession remains the same. Reading professions from DF works correctly.

(Therapist version is 0.6.12, build from source; Linux version is Kubuntu 11.10)

But those are more an annoyance than real problem. Thanks again for a great program.

Yeah, DT is pretty picky about its path, kind of an annoyance. As far as writing profession names, you could try merging in Ag's patch that he mentions above and seeing if it works. I'll be doing the same at some point, and hopefully incorporating it back into the main release.
With Kubuntu you might be able to just pull the package from the repository, but I'm not sure - I'll have to fire up another VM and give it a shot.

[robertheinrich]

I have noticed that nicknames sometimes vanish. I assigned nicknames to my all members of my hammerdwarf squad (lacking imagination I just called them all "hammer" to be able to filter them out from civilian duties easier). After a while only 3 of 10 would still have that nickname, it vanished on the others.

Now what happened in-game was quite a lot... I put them through danger room training which made all of them legendary hammerlords quite soon. And after a few sieges some (but not all) of them got additional titles. So I´m not sure if it´s DF which clears the nicknames after promotion (recruit -> hammerdwarf -> hammerlord) or the additional title after lots of kills or whatever. Just wanted to mention that it happened and might be a thing worth looking into.

[Girlinhat]

Seems to happen mostly when a dwarf kills - you'll notice it on frequent tantrumers too if they strike someone down.  You can name them via DF's naming interface to have a permanent nickname.  A tad annoying, but you should only really have to do so for your military dwarves, and a macro will help a lot.

[Darmarius]

For some reason, launching Therapist with cd /path/; sudo ./DwarfTherapist works, while sudo /path/DwarfTherapist doesn't[/li][/list]

When DT launch, it tries to access an etc folder under your current path, not under where the binary is. There's probably a simple fix to this... or you could create a simple shell script that ensure that you are in the proper directory when you launch DT, like so:

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#!/bin/sh
DIR=`dirname $0`
cd "$DIR"
PWDP=`pwd -P`
cd "$PWDP"
sudo ./DwarfTherapist
put that in the DT executable folder and call that script instead and everything should be fine.

[DwarfEngineer]

Toady is getting good at releasing new versions about 15 minutes after I get to work >.<
I'll post layouts this afternoon.

[Rhenaya]

did you think for the averageness about that modded civs may have other averages?