Oh, God, this is going to take forever. Ah, well; the night is young...
Notice the part at the end. The part that says "but if he's busy IRL... well. There's hardly much I can do about that, now, is there?" You know what this implies? It implies that if ein posted more, you would be able to play more. But you know what really bizzare about this? It's that you didn't vote for me, the number one on your scum list.
Ugh, I didn't vote for you because you seemed too obvious a newb to be scum, and in my experience the most obvious target is seldom the dangerous one in games such as this. Evidently, this rule will require some revision; unless you really don't care whether you live or die, which would sufficiently explain your behavior. Even if it makes no sense. >.>
But wait, you've given a reason why you are not voting in your next post:
That's just, in a word, retarded. I'm not voting because I don't have any outright scum-tells, and I want to not only figure out where everyone stands so far, but I also want to see if anyone can bring up a scum-tell I haven't noticed.
Where have I heard that before?
I've learned to watch for scummy tactics, like somebody who may be trying to force others against each other.
Right now I'm waiting, and watching for a tell.
How is this similar to your excuse? Well,
A. You are both not doing anything
B. You are both waiting for somebody else to do something.
That's right. Some would call what ein is doing lurking, and I'm calling what you are lurking. You are waiting for somebody else to do your scumhunting. That's both passive and scummy.
Pffhahahaha. You're well, well off on this one. XD
I've actually asked a question as opposed to simply going quiet for no explicable reason, and it's usually considered good manners to wait for the answer to a question before moving on. Specifically, I asked 'what are everyone's FOS's?' Now, if I had no reason for asking this, I could see how it could seem pretty scummy. It does seem like I'm basically asking everyone to do my work during the RVS for me. Excepting the fact that the RVS is quite over by now, as people have tells to work with and suspicions they've nursed.
By hearing what everyone has to say, I can draw a fairly accurate map of the game and better draw my conclusions from there. I was also trying to encourage more activity by presenting a group question, as a stagnant game basically offers the mafia the game on a platter.
More importantly, have you? Because last time I checked, ein hasn't posted here in a day. If you really wanted to get ein to talk, you would have asked ein follow up questions, instead of saying that your vote is redundant.
I would have, if kilikan hadn't attacked me for attacking a self-admitted lurker, which was a fairly peculiar move under any circumstances. Of course, if he hadn't read Ein's post, as he says, that clears things up. Assuming he's telling the truth.
Azure, Azure, Azure, you were never part of that 0.06%. (Broody and Sir Bayer was a part of that.) Of course now, that percentage is redundant, since everypost has posted something. That means that you are back up to having a 25 percent chance of being scummy.
I reckon you're feeding me bull. Why?
Deflecting your question? SirBayer, the chance of the scum being one of those two people is less then 0.06%. It would have been a deflection if I said no idea.
That's why. You were talking to SirBayer at the time, so why would you refer to him as 'being one of those two people'? Why not simply say 'neither you nor [insert name here]'? Because you were talking about other people. Most likely the two names you'd voted for during RVS. You're just trying to blab your way out of this now because I've caught you in the act of
buddying.
Oh, and apropos of nothing... don't you dare patronize me. My name and Spade's were the two most prominent in the quotes highlighted at the time, hence any possible misinterpretation. Even if you are telling the truth, it was horribly unclear, and you know it. Hell, if it hadn't been, then why hasn't anyone else corrected me on such a mistake by now, considering I've mentioned it twice?
Azure, where does it say that I can't get myself involved in a question that is directed at you? I didn't try to buddy with you at all. I was merely saying that the question was incredibly stupid, because it assumed information that you didn't know at the time. How is that buddying?
Is your username Azure Sepulchre? No? Then don't answer my damn questions for me if you're not trying to protect me. Let me do it. Common sense.
Azure, you attacked kilakan because of this quote:
Azure-Last few games I've read and played, people who begin accusing lukers the second they are off for a few hours, have all been scum. Would you disagree that trying to point blame towards the people who seem to have lives, or nothing to say at the moment, to not be an attempt to move away from yourself or other people who are acting scummy without people pointing it out, which could lead to covering yourself and your team?
to which you replied with:
I also have a pinky finger of suspicion on both kilakan and SirBayer; kilakan because he leapt to the defense of Ein during an RVS of all things,
The only way that I could see kilakan jumping to the defence of ein was through saying that ein had a life.
...gaaaaah.
The context of his support was not important. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who get's themselves involved in another persons line of questioning without a valid reason is either stupid or buddying. What he did had no redeemable qualities; it brought his name to the attention of the questioner, it can potentially alienate the person being questioned if their villagers or could attract them if they're mafia, and it makes him seem scummy for, at the very least, giving the person being questioned something to respond with.
Go on. Tell me I'm wrong.
Please.Oh, and guess what you said afterwards:
Still vaguely suspicious of Ein, but there's nothing really for me to go on other than the fact that he's lurking, and he's already explained why he is. Gut feeling on this one, more than anything else...
You say you have a gut feeling on ein, but you don't follow it up. Why? The best reason I could find was that you accepted his reasons of having a real life. And guess what kilakan said?
I attacked kilakan because he did what you did; defended someone else who could defend himself just as well. I stopped voting for Ein, on the other hand, because he answered my question and to maintain the vote on him any longer would be pointless.
So it would be pointless to maintain your vote on a person who gives you a gut feeling? I believe the standard opperating procedure for that case would be to SCUMHUNT. And what do you do? Nothing! You don't even keep your vote on the guy!
Gut feelings mean
nothing. They are
weak; the weakest form of attack, by far, and meaningless in the face of any other kind of evidence, and even in the absence of that they don't mean squat. Besides which, when compared to the gut feeling I got from Ein, you are giving me piles. You can drop this line of attack now. =/
Umm...
Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.
As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.
Have you even read this thread?
(Looks like I've been voting for you all along. Surprise!)
Oh, yeah... forgot you'd voted for me. During RVS. And never dropped it to pursue anyone else when I answered your question. In a way that appeared to satisfy even you.
o______o
Good going there, man. Way to hypocrite.
Again.I NEVER TRIED TO BUDDY WITH YOU!
Psh. Whatever, man. I read what I read. But if you wanna repeat the same line every post, then hey; that's your prerogative >.>
Finally! The great Azure Sepulchre puts his money where his mouth is and votes for me! WHY THE HELL DID YOU NOT DO THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE! YOU DON'T GIVE PEOPLE THE BENIFIT OF THE DOUBT IN MAFIA, YOU SCUMHUNT THEM TILL THEY EARN THE DOUBT! And Azure Sepulchre, you haven't earned it.
Ooh, someone's added two big ol' spoonfuls of SirBayer to his Raisin Bran this morning! Eh, I'm getting tired of repeating why I didn't vote for you in the first place, and I find it amusing that you presume to alter how I think (in caps lock, no less. Very impressive). I did what I did because it made sense to me; although I must admit, my initial theory still seems to be holding strong. Any sensible player wouldn't try to convince everyone to lynch him
at all, much less on day 1... unless he'd simply lost interest in playing before we'd even really begun, or was attempting some ultra-bizarre double-bluff I've never seen before. Mainly because I doubt anyone would believe it would work. I don't know what it is you're playing at, but you're acting almost too scummy to be real scum.
I'm getting another gut feeling on this, but - like I said - gut feelings mean very little in the face of any kind of evidence, and you are barely even
trying to offer explanation for your wanton trail of scumitude throughout the game.
...I swear, if you aren't scum, you had
damn well better be fool. =/