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[TheBroodyMoods]

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Spade, is this your very first mafia game? Or only the first mafia game on Bay 12?

Why the change of heart, USEC? I must say, I find the early bandwagon a wee-disconcerting.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.

As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.

[TheBroodyMoods]

Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.

As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.

You'll forgive me if I find that the least bit suspicious. I'll not be moving my vote, however, until I get some talky words from Ein, at the earliest.

Spoiler: Ogle (click to show/hide)

[USEC_OFFICER]

Frankly, I would have been surprised if I had gotten away with it.

[Tack]

For all who don't know what the hell is going on:

Spoiler: Dakarian's Guide to Scumhunting! (click to show/hide)

A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).


Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote.  The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them.  The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.

Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text.  Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell.  Don't ignore it: make them your target.  Attack them.  Tell them what bothers you about them.  Push them, harass them.  Tell them how scummy they are.  Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:

Litia: "You bother me.  Vote Dakarian!"

Dak: Meh.  Why?

Litia: "Because you bother me.  Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"

Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."

Litia: "You're voting for Vector.  why?"

Dak: "He looked scummy.."

Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell!  "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"

Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."

Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum?  Being defensive?  You also didn't answer my question!"


Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'.  She has no hard evidence, nothing real.  The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic.  If you did it right, they WILL town or scum.  WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self.  From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth.  If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.

If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:


Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence.  Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives.  Pull more from them.  DON'T LET GO!  Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY!  Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.

If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time.  If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4

Step 4: Final step.  It's time to convince the town.  Show what you have.  Push the target so they show more scumminess.  Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true.  You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched.  If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:

1.  The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.



That's how a basic scumhunt is done.  One last note on doubt:

Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show.  If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT.  If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..."  you SAY "You scum!  Stop being passive!!!"  If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."

Doubt is something for yourself.  When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up.  If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure.  This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here.  Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.

So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it.  If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know.  If you wonder, accuse as if you know it.  If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer.  Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.


And that's scumhunting in a nutshell.  Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly.  Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then).  If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.

If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1.  Get to random voting.

Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past.  Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.

It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.

[webadict]

That guide will live forever.

[Tack]

And it Damn Well Should!

[Spade]

Frankly, I would have been surprised if I had gotten away with it.

Did you realise this before or after you said it?
You could also be asking these questions without voting for everyone.

[Vector]

Posting to watch.

[SirBayer]

USEC_OFFICER, what does USEC even stand for? And who do you think is the scum right now?

United Space Exploration Council. I've made quite a large backstory on it, from the heady (and boring days) of colony ships to several hundred years after the second encounter. It's all good.

As for who is scum? Two other people have posted (Becides me and the person who isn't playing.) That isn't enough for me to tell right now.

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Spade, is this your very first mafia game? Or only the first mafia game on Bay 12?

Because I'm bored, and have no idea know idea how much mafia Spade has played.

As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.

Cool beans on the USEC stuff.

Wrong answer everywhere else. Very, very wrong answer.

I'll grant you on the "two-post" thing, but that's not the point of the question. Scum-hunting guide and all.

So you're deflecting my question, waffling on your vote, and pretending like RVS is a good time to jump all over the place. Yeah, you're the scum.

[SirBayer]

That guide will live forever.

Yes. Yes, it will.

[ein]

TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.

Huh. That sucks.  Ein, have you improved since then?

...Rather, what did you learn?

I've learned to watch for scummy tactics, like somebody who may be trying to force others against each other.
Right now I'm waiting, and watching for a tell.

I've also learned that Aqizzar turns any 3-way standoff into a The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly reference.

[Azure Sepulchre]

As such, I'm going to Unvote, and ask Azure Sepulchre the same question.

Not my first game, no; took over from someone else (webadict, I think; his name rings a bell) in a game of Monks and Masons, although that game was about two months ago so I can't remember much about it.

And yeah, I do play on another site. I've been playing on epicmafia.com for the past week and a bit, but I wanted to play a more sedate game for a change of pace; one that allows for more time to think and observe, as opposed to some fast-paced, in-and-out IRC malarkey where everyone auto-sheeps for the first person to claim cop. >.>

...anyway, moving on...

Frankly, I would have been surprised if I had gotten away with it.

...if not for those meddling kids? And that dumb dog? =/

I'm gonna FOS USEC for the time being. That was a pretty scummy line by my definition, but so far I suspect he's just been too abrasive in his early scumhunting. We need more info on everyone before we can make any kind of educated guess, but I'll be keeping an eye on him. o.o

And on that note; some people would just call that lurking, ein. Care to fill us what you've observed to date? It's likely you don't have any definites, but I imagine you have at least one suspect?

[ein]

I can wait and watch without lurking.
Any lurking of mine is not because of the game, but business with life.

As for suspicions, it is still a bit early to tell much of anything, but SirBayer is highest at a solid maybe for the way in which he's targeting USEC, who is pretty much just being a horrible scumhunter, but is also somewhat high on the list because he's being a horrible scumhunter.

[Jetsquirrel]

i vote for Usec

as i find that his sudden changes of voting is quite strange