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[Untelligent]

- Unfortunately there really aren't a lot of useless materials.  Other than some small bismuth deposits, it's pretty much all hematite and limonite that I've found. 

If you have a large amount of valuable stone I wouldn't really consider it valuable anymore. Go ahead and make crap out of it.

[The Grackle]

This sounds awesome.  Is this a common underground feature in .31? It's sounds like the new version of the old bottomless pits, which I loved to suspend hanging towers in the middle of.

You can mine all your metal and flux on the upper levels and then have your extra haulers dump it all (and whatever else) down the shaft.  It would make moving to the bottom faster and easier.

[lolghurt]

upload save please. I want to mess with this fort. The two places I have wanted to play in are:
1. nil caverns and a flat magma sea (impossible)
2. a massive cavern going straight down (this)

[LilGunmanX]

There is no maximum limit to how deep a well can go. You want a well that drops the bucket 93 levels? You can.

However the deeper the well the longer it takes to get water. This means that the bucket needs to travel 186 levels per 10 units of water, which is enough for 10 dwarves to get a drink. It would be enough for healthcare, but not enough to sustain a fortress.

In that case, how about building a massive well-complex -inside of- the hospital? That way, the water is going straight to your dwarves and you have tons of it.

Imagine a bunch of confused cave-bears watching like 900 buckets go up and down until the whole lake is drained

ALSO: IDEA! Have your dwarfs dump all of the water into a big reservoir that you have easier access to. Once you've got a good enough supply, seal off the wells and relocate your hospital! Problem solved.

[Maulrus]

There is no maximum limit to how deep a well can go. You want a well that drops the bucket 93 levels? You can.

However the deeper the well the longer it takes to get water. This means that the bucket needs to travel 186 levels per 10 units of water, which is enough for 10 dwarves to get a drink. It would be enough for healthcare, but not enough to sustain a fortress.

Multiple wells maybe? I'm sure 5 or so would make up for the huge distance.

[Gnauga]

As long as you have booze on-hand, your dwarves shouldn't need water to avoid dehydration.

And you should always have booze on-hand.

[thijser]

I also have a screwed embark like this. I only got some 60 ish cavern (haven't trown someone to the deepest part). It should also have marble however using df hack after looking everywhere I discovered that there is no marble either. Anyway it is probably a good idea to either move downwords which would mean you have little wood. However if go down you will have water and magma (and thus obsidion) I don't know about the layers but those are also very important. If you go down you can solve the wood problem by making a underground forest. If you do that it's wise to remember to gather all the plants aswell it increases tree growth.

[JAFANZ]

AIUI, DFHack/Prospector doesn't list the quantity of the Layer stones shown on the Embark screen, so if you "should have" Marble, you do, but Prospector won't give you a count.

(Also, It might be that Prospector doesn't show "Layer Stones" as opposed to just those mentioned at embark).

[Hans Lemurson]

A large top-level Cavern means that Caverns 2 and 3 will be flattened things about 2-3 z-levels high.

I have personally dealt with trying to get water up from the bottom of a 94 z-level cavern.  Multiple wells can work.

Also, try digging out massive rooms in the sand, and then harvesting the cave-plants which grow in your underground soil.  You can get quite the tree-farm going this way.

[lanceleoghauni]

Could always go with checkerboard wells with floors over that yawning abyss you've got there. no exposure to the edges right? you might have a slice of paradise, no Forgotten beasts!

[iceball3]

Ahem...

Interesting, do you mind posting a screenshot?

Please?

[The Grackle]

Is it that there are no caverns all those z-levels? or does it pierce through cavern layers with an unbroken wall, like a magma pool?

[lolghurt]

Ahem...

Interesting, do you mind posting a screenshot?

Please?

or, if you're feeling very generous, posting the save as well?

[fluiddruid]

Hi all,

Here are some screenshots.  There are a few more protuberances than I was aware of but still basically what I described.  I'm guessing all the caverns are absorbed by this huge one.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Top level

Level 63

Level 103 - the excavated area is intended to lure in that Forgotten Beast to avoid later unexpected fun surprises

I've decided to move away from the surface; no sign of gobbos, humans, or elves, and I'm becoming self sufficient enough not to really need the trade caravan.  I'll probably leave a skeleton crew, including my broker, as well as the manufactured finished goods I already have (absolute gobs of them), in case I have needs in future, but otherwise I plan to move everyone far beneath the surface.  Plus, I'll want to open up the drawbridge for migrants anyway (I'm softhearted). There are a few signs of life down there - the occasional giant olm and cave croc, as well as the FB who showed up very early -- but mostly we'll have it to ourselves.  In the meantime, I've halted production of most things other than food, booze, and critical metal goods (weapons/armor/ammo, mostly) and moved most people into hauling capacities in preparation for the big plunge.  I've established all of my troops into a barracks on level 104, as well, in preparation for the FB.

The tree farm is going fine; I haven't set up enough beds for all yet simply because I'm focusing on shifting the fortress downward, and carrying what supplies we have down to a staging ground.  If I could manage to lure that FB out of the water, I'd throw into this plan full force, but he's being all coy -- seeming to make a beeline for my troops or miners, then backing off.  If nothing else, I'll build a platform over the water and get my marksmen to start taking potshots at him.

The well does work, by the way.  I know I don't 'need' it except for injured dwarves, but for whatever reason, my dwarves are giving someone water -- not a criminal or a patient, either -- and filling their waterskins (I'm not wasting fuel on flasks at this point) so I'm glad I built it. 

I'd be happy to post the save if someone can give me some instructions how to do so.

I notice musk oxen and wolves, the two species I've managed to capture a good number of, are not tamable (without a Dungeon Master at least, in the former case).  Can you breed wild animals?  If not, that's fine, I have about a dozen in cages for an emergency meat supply before I tap into all my breeding domestic animals, and enough hides from trading to not really worry about it.  I'm betting I'll find a few things down below.

I've never messed with magma but no time like the present.  After the FB goes and I start sketching out the plans for the deep fortress, I'm planning to send some exploratory shafts down to the magma layer.  Fuel is becoming a real problem so it's becoming a priority.   With my first attempts, I have no doubt I'll have some fun on my hands.

[lolghurt]

I'd be happy to post the save if someone can give me some instructions how to do so.

Go to the data/save folder in DF, zip the region, and upload it on DFFD or some other site.