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Vhorthex

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Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« on: September 19, 2010, 08:00:03 am »

Herro!

I noticed that dwarves tend to drink A LOT and eat, VERY LITTLE.

I constantly have to keep brewing ale, but food is ridiculous. I'm up to like 200 prepared lavish meals. This is only with 1 dedicated fisherman, and 9 squares of farm (mushrooms for ale).

Is it possible that they should eat way more then they currently do? It's hard for me to compare since i'm completely new, but I do see a drastic difference in consumption. I understand that we should drink more than we eat, but I feel it might be just a tad off.

Any opinions on this?

Thanks,

PS: Is it hard to tweak the dwarves to eat a little more?
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2010, 08:54:48 am »

They need double the amount of drink compared to the amount of food they need,
which is O.K., IMHO...
there might be an illusion of lots of more booze needed however,
for one due to the fact that plant use for creating food seems to be much more effective than plant use  for creating booze
and also often, because people forget to switch off "use booze xy for cooking things"
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 09:35:08 am »

I turn off cooking brewable plants, but I allow the preparation of meals from booze.

I also place preferred dinner ingredients around and in the kitchen room.  I generally have no food/drink problems.
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2010, 03:13:48 am »

The food system is very generous right now.  And food is extremely valuable.  It's easy to invest too much labor in amassing ridiculous quantities of food, when that labor could go towards other projects.
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2010, 03:24:44 am »

Food and drink are pretty simplified, where dwarves only need to eat and drink a few times a year.  I don't think it would matter terribly much how it was set, people would adjust to it one way or another.
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2010, 04:18:12 am »

yeah, I'm constantly needing to find spaces for moar prepared meal and booze stockpiles...
I has about 3-Z levels of 33*33 JUST for prepared food and booze stocks and... plump helms
thats not counting anything besides plant, drink and other
Plants - 1763 (prolly 95% plump helms(
Drink - 5427
Other (I assume this to be predominatly prepared meals) - 4271
This is for a fort of maybe 80 dwarves :p
Yeah, I'm constantly needing to find new stuff for my dwarves to do
and yes, I'm currently building a green glass pyramid with a base of 40*40
I am currently about 6 floors up
So much bloody glass is needed =/
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 04:21:04 am »

Err, why don't you sell the excess.
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2010, 04:28:08 am »

Herro!

I lol'd for some reason. I just found this hilarious.
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2010, 06:14:37 pm »

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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2010, 05:18:42 am »

Err, why don't you sell the excess.

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Sell...
Food and booze?
Whyever would you want to do that?
I've gotten more then enough trade goods slaughtering the elves and occaisionally humans in an attempt to piss them off...
so much so that I think the dwarves are on average walking away with something like 50k profit every year....
Also, I'm stockpiling for my eventual storming of clowntopia
Current stocks stand at 6k booze, and about 7.5k food...
Hmm... I need moar breweries and wood (for barrels)

Also, do metal barrels still cost 3 bars?
otherwise I could make some copper bins from the 400 or so humanite bars (dunno what the proper term would be) that I have in stocks...
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2010, 05:22:04 am »

Weapons and Armor in DF 2010 only cost 1 metal bar per item...
AFAIK the same is true for furniture
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2010, 05:31:15 am »

Weapons and Armor in DF 2010 only cost 1 metal bar per item...
AFAIK the same is true for furniture

It's a bug with forge reactions, or so i've heard.

You will get job cancellations stating the *correct* number of bars if you have zero bars, however everything only actually requires and uses one bar currently.

Oddly, forging metal clothing taking multiple cloth functions just fine. a dress is !5! freaking cloth. 5!
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2010, 05:38:37 am »

Err, why don't you sell the excess.

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Sell...
Food and booze?
Whyever would you want to do that?
I've gotten more then enough trade goods slaughtering the elves and occaisionally humans in an attempt to piss them off...
so much so that I think the dwarves are on average walking away with something like 50k profit every year....
Also, I'm stockpiling for my eventual storming of clowntopia
Current stocks stand at 6k booze, and about 7.5k food...
Hmm... I need moar breweries and wood (for barrels)
I've no clue why anyone would want to sell booze, but selling food is a highly lucrative business. Of course, if you've got regular invaders and unwelcome merchants giving you trade goods then you don't need to make your own. Then again, unless you've got a fast turnaround decoration industry doing "money laundering", the dwarven caravan won't see your fort making any exports, merely being a middleman helping the transport of foreign goods. That means less migrants.
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2010, 06:17:49 am »

when you brew drink you get more booze out than you put in plants. It would be a little weird if they didn't use more.

But yeah food is probably a little too easy to get ahold of. one brewer, 4 growers, and two cooks can supply enough prepared food/drink for way, way more dwarves than any computer could ever handle in one fort.

Not that it should be hard or anything, but as it is now it's harder to *not* make way too much food.
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Re: Dwarf Apetite & Thirst
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2010, 12:24:16 pm »

But yeah food is probably a little too easy to get ahold of. one brewer, 4 growers, and two cooks can supply enough prepared food/drink for way, way more dwarves than any computer could ever handle in one fort.
4 growers? Even just one on his own can keep an entire fort fed without any difficulty whatsoever.
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