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Author Topic: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?  (Read 3582 times)

Heliman

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Many people pride themselves on defending themselves from big, stupid opponents, but how would you fare against a careful assault from yourself?
« Last Edit: September 18, 2010, 03:10:11 pm by Heliman »
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2010, 03:01:40 pm »

Dig through the 1 tile wide sand walls next to the entrance tunnel, past the rows of traps.
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2010, 03:01:54 pm »

I would use squads of ambushing goblin marksmen. ONLY.

Pick off all the woodcutters/plant gatherers!
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2010, 03:03:58 pm »

I'd personally hide in my own aqueduct and wait for me to open it in the farming season.
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2010, 03:05:51 pm »

well, assuming that no digging is possible (thus to keep this challenging), I would endure the fall from whatever pond or water source had provided the muddied soil for the initial underground farm. 

I never seem to settle at a river, so I invariably end up draining a pond into a large room.  I usually wall off the path back out to the (now-empty) pond, but sometimes I forget.  Or I keep it for miasma-generating refuse.  Either way, it's an easy path past my defenses.

Alternatively, I would drop a sock outside the front door and have someone let me in that way.
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2010, 03:10:31 pm »

I'd send a lone bowperson up to the top of the mountain and have him shoot the metalsmith.  Then, as the others panic over An ambush!  Curse them!, I would send the main squad through the front door.  As the silly dwarves fail to hit the lever in time, the goblins sneak in and slaughter everyone.

I really should get on those defenses...
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2010, 03:33:35 pm »

Hmm, my fort is actually pretty secure when I think about it. My fort has four entrances, but only one is open at any time, so there's a lot of traffic. My best bet might be to try and go through some external mines, take a 1 or 2 z-level fall into an artificial cavern that connects to the main fort and try to get in that way. Problem is that the staircase up is also busy with stone-dumping-dwarf traffic.

If I were staging an all-out assault I think I'd need at least 40 skilled, well-equipped soldiers. Half marksmen.
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2010, 03:39:10 pm »

A while ago I suggested a contest where people wait for a big invasion use DwarfCompanion to make all the goblins "dwarves" and all the dwarves enemies, then try to recapture your own fortress.
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 03:42:41 pm »

I'd go through the caverns, Since there are hundreds of tunnels, and forgotten walled off passage ways, you could then just march up the central stair case.
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2010, 04:31:35 pm »

I would jump over the goblin-grinder pressure plates.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2010, 05:01:44 pm by Urist Imiknorris »
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 04:56:49 pm »

I'd swim up the well.
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2010, 05:08:53 pm »

If I was one of the usual invaders (Snatcher/Theif/Siege), I'd have to give up on the spot. The Fort only has two entrances, and both are secured by fully automatic Drop/Flush/Burn Traps. Even if I had Trap Avoidance, I wouldn't get past the Gate Garrisons and all the Animals. And if I'm just going in there with the usual gobbo suspects, than it's either being burned and melted, or being flushed down into the arena to become marskdwarf practise fodder, or being dropped down a several-dozen-z-level hole into the caverns.

The only chance would be to either fly, be trap-avoidant, or non-solid...and strong enough to take out the entire garrison.

Edit: Oh, and I'd have to be magma-proof and aquatic, in any case. Since I use several fortresses per embark, breaching one and raiding it throughly might just make someone pull a little lever that causes the respective sub-fortress to be flooded with something.

Editē: Or I'd just bring a goddamned Pick and dig through any of the flimsy walls. Cake!
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2010, 05:14:54 pm »

Three approaches occur to me:

* Get the snatchers to grab one of the older kids and waterboard them until they told me where the traps and pressure plates were.

* Locate the intake pipe for the cisterns and dump a few barrels of suitably nasty forgotten beast extract down it.

* Stuff a couple of fire imps into sacks and toss them over the walls.
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2010, 05:20:27 pm »

Charge with a bunch of my companions, watch as they die to the traps, grab their corpses, dig holes in the top of the fortress and drop the corpses in. Then I wait for the miasma to consume their souls, the dwarven bastards.
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Re: If YOU were a clever invader, how would YOU sneak into your own fortress?
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2010, 05:23:31 pm »

If I couldn't dig, I wouldn't be able to do anything, since my fortress is completely sealed off from the surface. If I could start in the caverns, I would wait by the cavern base bridge, then wait for it to extend over the magma moat for wood harvesting, sneak in behind the woodcutter as he returns, then go up the shaft and avoid the magma flooder trap and the collapse trap past that. After that, I would have to be strong enough to defeat the flood of ~150 cats, and have BUILDINGDESTROYER 2 and be large enough to survive an atom smasher so I could break through the drawbridge to that chamber or survive being atom-smashed by the kitten removal system. Past that point, it'd be pretty easy.

In case you didn't notice, I'm slightly security-conscious about my forts.
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