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[bumblepuppy]

My understanding is that if you seal off a portion of the caverns, it will be safe from monsters spawning. What happens if dwarves take over the entire cavern? Does that mean no monsters or FBs will spawn there at all?

[Khift]

Well, you can't seal it off the edges of the map. You have go step back a couple squares, then build your wall. FBs and other creatures will still spawn, but only at the edge and would get stuck by your walls. If you've got it blocked off entirely nothing at all would happen; you could ignore them forever and ever. Just make sure to build the wall to block all z-levels, not just the bottom one, or else fliers could still get in.

[Urist Imiknorris]

If you wall off the very edge of the caverns, yes. If you forget to wall off the underground lakes too, then aquatic and amphibious creatures will still spawn. I'm not even sure it's possible to wall off a lake edge because the lake is constantly refilling.

Well, you can't seal it off the edges of the map. You have go step back a couple squares, then build your wall. FBs and other creatures will still spawn, but only at the edge and would get stuck by your walls. If you've got it blocked off entirely nothing at all would happen; you could ignore them forever and ever. Just make sure to build the wall to block all z-levels, not just the bottom one, or else fliers could still get in.

Walls can be built right up to the edge of the map underground.

[Khift]

If you wall off the very edge of the caverns, yes. If you forget to wall off the underground lakes too, then aquatic and amphibious creatures will still spawn. I'm not even sure it's possible to wall off a lake edge because the lake is constantly refilling.

Well, you can't seal it off the edges of the map. You have go step back a couple squares, then build your wall. FBs and other creatures will still spawn, but only at the edge and would get stuck by your walls. If you've got it blocked off entirely nothing at all would happen; you could ignore them forever and ever. Just make sure to build the wall to block all z-levels, not just the bottom one, or else fliers could still get in.

Walls can be built right up to the edge of the map underground.

...huh. That's really quite odd. Why the change from above ground? Feels just as exploitative if not more to wall off caverns as it does to wall off the aboveground if you ask me.

[A Dwarven Smokeologist]

..huh. That's really quite odd. Why the change from above ground? Feels just as exploitative if not more to wall off caverns as it does to wall off the aboveground if you ask me.

If you wall off the sections though what are you exploiting? All your doing is ruining your chances for fun, kind of like a self punishment.

[Zaik]

If you wall off the very edge of the caverns, yes. If you forget to wall off the underground lakes too, then aquatic and amphibious creatures will still spawn. I'm not even sure it's possible to wall off a lake edge because the lake is constantly refilling.

Well, you can't seal it off the edges of the map. You have go step back a couple squares, then build your wall. FBs and other creatures will still spawn, but only at the edge and would get stuck by your walls. If you've got it blocked off entirely nothing at all would happen; you could ignore them forever and ever. Just make sure to build the wall to block all z-levels, not just the bottom one, or else fliers could still get in.

Walls can be built right up to the edge of the map underground.

...huh. That's really quite odd. Why the change from above ground? Feels just as exploitative if not more to wall off caverns as it does to wall off the aboveground if you ask me.

Not sure, in my experience this rule only applies to tiles that are "Above Ground", as in if i channel out all the stuff above the edge of the border i can't build buildings near the edge, even if it's way underground.

[fivex]

I'm not even sure it's possible to wall off a lake edge because the lake is constantly refilling.

Magma

[Artificer]

I'm not even sure it's possible to wall off a lake edge because the lake is constantly refilling.

Magma

Isn't that the answer to everything, really?

[Aramco]

I'm not even sure it's possible to wall off a lake edge because the lake is constantly refilling.

Magma

Isn't that the answer to everything, really?

No. If you are playing DF, Yes.

[Eugenitor]

From what I understand, if you wall off only one Z-level of a cavern, the incoming FBs can show up *on top* of your walls.

I prefer to build fortifications with a ceiling, a few tiles away. FBs never leave, so once one shows up, it's marksdwarf bait.

Of course one can appear *while* you're building your defenses...

[Zaik]

From what I understand, if you wall off only one Z-level of a cavern, the incoming FBs can show up *on top* of your walls.

I prefer to build fortifications with a ceiling, a few tiles away. FBs never leave, so once one shows up, it's marksdwarf bait.

Of course one can appear *while* you're building your defenses...

Yeah, stuff has shown up on top of my first wall before, not always though.

I just wall off all of it if I decide to do so. Building walls on top of walls is easy enough.

[Khift]

Honestly, if you can construct buildings on the edge I would make walls out of fortifications one tile behind the edge going all the way up to the top and then put a line of cage traps at the very edge. Any wandering creatures to stop by get caught. Have entrance dictated by a one tile wide drawbridge; if I notice a full cage trap I open the drawbridge and let them reset it. FB shows up? Pin cushion it!

[bumblepuppy]

Hi all, thanks for replying. You know, I never thought of building fortifications instead of walls in caverns before! It seems like such a good idea for FBs when you can snipe at them from behind one. I've already 'lost' two caverns to FBs since I used plain old walls. Ah well....

[Psieye]

Say, can gaseous FBs go through fortifications? Though those should be easy to kill anyway I guess (unless they have some deadly dust).