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[Leafsnail]

Well, if you set the concept of good and evil, you might as well flip a coin.

Although a game where you can choose how the moral system works, at a base level, could be interesting.  Of course, if you set murder to "good", or whatever, expect to be rushed by NPCs...

[Zangi]

Well, if you set the concept of good and evil, you might as well flip a coin.

Although a game where you can choose how the moral system works, at a base level, could be interesting.  Of course, if you set murder to "good", or whatever, expect to be rushed by NPCs...

Eh, people don't want to die, unless dying is a good thing... then the world will be full of 'evil' people that need to be cleansed for their wrong ways...
"Hey, why arn't you dead or murdering people?"
"What about you?!"
*Stab*

Yea, humanity is thus, extinct or left with immoral peoples.

[Leafsnail]

That'd be why we have morality in the first place, yeah.

Although if you revised it slightly to "Attack and kill anyone not in your immediate family/ tribe" it could create some weirdness.

[Ephemeriis]

Although if you revised it slightly to "Attack and kill anyone not in your immediate family/ tribe" it could create some weirdness.

Weirdness?

I thought that was how the world actually worked?

[Muz]

B&W2 and all of the Molyneux games after decided to use morality as a toy and just ruined it, IMO.

Didn't play any of the games after B&W, as I found B&W lame. I might have been more tolerant if there had been less hype. But as it was, I found it to be a flashy yet not-nearly-as-free-or-clever-as-it-claimed god game, bound with a tamagotchi.

I don't know how many people actually notice that you get "good" bonuses only the first few times you give food, then it drops slowly after a while. Anyone who did go around with a glowing white hand deserve it for their patience, IMO. Being good was actually an achievement because it was so tempting to just be evil, just like in RL morality.

And the creatures actually did sort of learn; a friend of mine taught his cow to throw rocks across the water when it got pissed. B&W2 had a mechanical-ish creature and moral mechanics.. it was basically just a slider.

B&W was definitely lame, but it paid attention to a lot of fine details. It was a great sandbox.

[Grakelin]

I don't understand why you guys are trying so hard to find morality systems to represent characters who frequently slaughter dozens of people at a time without blinking.

[Leafsnail]

Although if you revised it slightly to "Attack and kill anyone not in your immediate family/ tribe" it could create some weirdness.

Weirdness?

I thought that was how the world actually worked?

Yeah, but now it would actually be the morally correct thing to do.

[Virex]

I don't understand why you guys are trying so hard to find morality systems to represent characters who frequently slaughter dozens of people at a time without blinking.

You mean Chaotic Redneck doesn't fit?

[Helmaroc]

Fable II was kind of ridiculous in that you could slaughter a whole town on a whim and then turn around and donate to the monks or whatever and gain back all your good points...as someone mentioned a 'reputation' system would work best, and extreme acts should have more permanent effects. In the real world if you commit some kind of crime, it is on your record forever and despite your best attempts to put it behind you, employers/schools/government whatever will always judge you based upon what you've done in the past.

[Medicine Man]

Fable II was kind of ridiculous in that you could slaughter a whole town on a whim and then turn around and donate to the monks or whatever and gain back all your good points...as someone mentioned a 'reputation' system would work best, and extreme acts should have more permanent effects. In the real world if you commit some kind of crime, it is on your record forever and despite your best attempts to put it behind you, employers/schools/government whatever will always judge you based upon what you've done in the past.

Yeah. If you do kill someone though you will hear people say "I knew that person that you murdered" and stuff like that but that's really all that happens.

The funniest thing on Fable II you can be the most corrupt bastard in the world by....Waaait for it.... Eating a fattening apple pie and some meat then sleeping in.

[scriver]

You've picked my interest. Why did that make Fable-guy corrupt?

[ChairmanPoo]

In the real world if you commit some kind of crime, it is on your record forever

Not so. You can get your penal record cleaned after two years, AFAIK

[Aqizzar]

In the real world if you commit some kind of crime, it is on your record forever

Not so. You can get your penal record cleaned after two years, AFAIK

That depends vastly on the crime in question.  Just getting an arrest annulled from the state records can take years, let alone any kind of conviction that isn't resolved through Deferred Adjudication.

Anyway, I can't believe I, let alone everyone else here, managed to go this long without mentioning Planescape: Torment.  As far as I can recall, it's the only RPG that actually gave the player the option to intentionally lie during conversations.  Not just make promises you, the player, don't intend to keep, but decide whether you mean what you're saying, and if you lie often enough it effects your alignment.  Among a vast host of other examples.

[scriver]

Mentioned on the first page. Though not really for reasons the same as yours, if I remember correctly.
Also, basically all new "RPG" games have that lying thing. It says [lie] right before the dialogue option, often in connection with [persuade] or whatever they call the talkie skill in that game.

[TheDarkJay]

Fallout 1 and 2 had lies I believe, and Star Wars KoToR had [lie] for a when you were becoming a jedi. More games need it still in more places still =p