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[mrtspence]

In the past 6 sieges I have been put through, I have started to develop a bit of a soft spot for the poor trolls the gobbos drag along. Since they always seem to be equipped with nothing better than leather armour and rarely carry weapons, they are always horribly maimed and killed by whatever they go up against.

I had one poor bastard walk into a weapon trap which shot him with 20 wooden bolts--each breaking bones through his meager armour. He then stumbled into another trap, which cut off his horns, his nose, 4 fingers, a hand, and badly bruised his guts. He succumbed to the overwhelming pain, stumbled out of my traps, and proceeded to vomit... for 10 pages. He then died slowly over the next month. Worst part--he was a surgeon xD

The poor educated, unarmed bastards are forced to suffer agonizing deaths at the hands of us and our traps with little hope of hurting any competent dwarf. I pity them. Do you?

[Khift]

I've had trolls get beat by civilians in straight up one on one fights. That was the exception, of course, and the civilian was injured badly enough that he didn't make it to the hospital, but he did kill the troll with his bare hands. They really aren't that frightening, no.

If I ever mod the game, I'm giving them full armor, weaponry, and combat skills. They're intelligent (relatively), have prehensile digits, and strong as hell. They should have this stuff by now, if only because the goblins gave it to them.

[mrtspence]

I've had trolls get beat by civilians in straight up one on one fights. That was the exception, of course, and the civilian was injured badly enough that he didn't make it to the hospital, but he did kill the troll with his bare hands. They really aren't that frightening, no.

If I ever mod the game, I'm giving them full armor, weaponry, and combat skills. They're intelligent (relatively), have prehensile digits, and strong as hell. They should have this stuff by now, if only because the goblins gave it to them.

Ya. They should be something to be feared. I would love to see there being a better chance for Troll civilizations to survive intact (rather than being subservient to gobbos) and to become really deadly opponents or allies. A troll in steel armour with a big-ass axe or hammer would be epic and terrifying.

[ledgekindred]

I wholeheartedly agree. I think of them kind of like a whole species of Lenny from Of Mice And Men. With the goblins taking advantage of their big dumb naivety to use them as cannon fodder. It's not so much that they have any kind of malice towards buildings, it's that smashing things makes them happy. So they are thrilled when the gobbos say hey come smash some stuff with us, it'll be great!  And next thing you know, the floodgate opens and the poor guy is melted.

[shibdib]

when i think trolls i think LOTR when their in the dwarven tunnel thing. That was a big ass killing machine that took 5 people to kill

[BaronBalloon]

maybe they like to feel the wind on their skin?

[existent]

when i think trolls i think LOTR when their in the dwarven tunnel thing. That was a big ass killing machine that took 5 people to kill

I haven't gotten to trolls in my mod yet, but they'll come eventually.

[darkflagrance]

I've had trolls get beat by civilians in straight up one on one fights. That was the exception, of course, and the civilian was injured badly enough that he didn't make it to the hospital, but he did kill the troll with his bare hands. They really aren't that frightening, no.

If I ever mod the game, I'm giving them full armor, weaponry, and combat skills. They're intelligent (relatively), have prehensile digits, and strong as hell. They should have this stuff by now, if only because the goblins gave it to them.

Ya. They should be something to be feared. I would love to see there being a better chance for Troll civilizations to survive intact (rather than being subservient to gobbos) and to become really deadly opponents or allies. A troll in steel armour with a big-ass axe or hammer would be epic and terrifying.

Be careful what you wish for...

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[Urist Imiknorris]

*Steals*

[Stargazer]

There are only two things that scare me.

1. Goblin Master Blowgunners/Archers/Crossbowmen. They just plain murder dwarves even behind fortifications, piercing even the best steel armor I have.
2. Accidentally breaking into hell. This just ends games and results in tons of FUN.

Anything else can be solved by raising the drawbridges and parking marksdwarves on the walls. There's so much goblin/troll loot surrounding my fort now that I have to forbid it all or else risk shutting down operations for the next several years while my dwarves venture out to collect. I actually enjoy seeing trolls, or any variety of melee enemies, really. It means that the siege will end early. =p

Although, I do feel just the smallest twinge of guilt as a troll stumbles around, body looking like a pincushion as he collapses in a pile of his own vomit and slowly bleeds to death. Then I read that it was a Troll cook. What kind of sorry state are they in that they have to send their COOKS into battle?!

[darkflagrance]

Although, I do feel just the smallest twinge of guilt as a troll stumbles around, body looking like a pincushion as he collapses in a pile of his own vomit and slowly bleeds to death. Then I read that it was a Troll cook. What kind of sorry state are they in that they have to send their COOKS into battle?!

The goblins don't care; they only want shock troops. When troll conscription day comes, the goblins just walk into the caves where the trolls live and point at random to select who goes. Whatever value these trolls had in troll society is immaterial to their goblin overlords.

[Artificer]

If I ever mod the game, I'm giving them full armor, weaponry, and combat skills. They're intelligent (relatively), have prehensile digits, and strong as hell. They should have this stuff by now, if only because the goblins gave it to them.

Actually, the goblins did give them equipment, they just looked really silly wearing little tiny goblin helmets perched on top of their heads. 

[Khift]

If I ever mod the game, I'm giving them full armor, weaponry, and combat skills. They're intelligent (relatively), have prehensile digits, and strong as hell. They should have this stuff by now, if only because the goblins gave it to them.

Actually, the goblins did give them equipment, they just looked really silly wearing little tiny goblin helmets perched on top of their heads.

...because goblins wouldn't ever make troll sized equipment, right?

Goblins are capable of forging metal equipment. It doesn't take any large increase in effort to just make larger pieces of plate to toss on trolls.

[Calathar]

Forget trolls... what about when the goblins bring ogres?

[Khift]

Forget trolls... what about when the goblins bring ogres?

I, for one, would rather the ogres brought goblins.

And I'd love to see giants leading packs of enslaved duergar, all decked in dwarven steel. That would be a hell of a siege...