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sjaakwortel

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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #75 on: September 21, 2010, 08:02:50 am »

My dwarf civ is called "urist usan, the dagger of murdering" its not a bug, but its very cool :P.
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #76 on: September 21, 2010, 11:18:30 am »

Hey, is anyone else not getting any ambushes or sieges in the new version?  I've tried two forts, the second one I even set up a fort in a tiny scrap of land between dark fortress farmlands.  Both were built up and up for several game years, yet not one single goblin or even kobold has shown their face.  Everyone else visits the trade depot (dwarves, humans, prancers).  The goblin civ was noted in the embark screen.  What's the deal?
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #77 on: September 21, 2010, 11:28:49 am »

[INVADERS:NO]?
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #78 on: September 21, 2010, 11:33:10 am »

Hey, is anyone else not getting any ambushes or sieges in the new version?  I've tried two forts, the second one I even set up a fort in a tiny scrap of land between dark fortress farmlands.  Both were built up and up for several game years, yet not one single goblin or even kobold has shown their face.  Everyone else visits the trade depot (dwarves, humans, prancers).  The goblin civ was noted in the embark screen.  What's the deal?

I've got that same issue. Where does one turn invaders off and on? I looked in the init file
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #79 on: September 21, 2010, 11:37:33 am »

[INVADERS:NO]?

No, d_init.txt says [INVADERS:YES].  I'm using my same init files from the previous version...  did this move?
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2010, 12:28:23 pm »

Does .13 take invaders from nearby populations like migrants? The goblin civ could have been depopulated.
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2010, 12:33:28 pm »

Does .13 take invaders from nearby populations like migrants? The goblin civ could have been depopulated.

That's a possibility..  How can I test this?  Legends?  Adventure mode?
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #82 on: September 21, 2010, 02:01:07 pm »

Does .13 take invaders from nearby populations like migrants? The goblin civ could have been depopulated.

In pretty much every released version of DF (even the old 2D versions, best I can tell), siege/ambush squad leaders are taken from civ populations, which is why you can get goblin squads led by humans, dwarves, and even elves; however, the other squad members are all generated from thin air. Once you depopulate the civilization, though, then the leaders are generated from thin air but with higher skill levels (and sometimes this happens early for sieges while ambushes keep sending civ members).
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2010, 02:59:57 pm »

Clearly, the goblins are too busy farming.
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #84 on: September 21, 2010, 03:04:24 pm »

I see what you did there. >.>

I'm personally not going to try .13 yet. Not enough time, and from what I read in this thread, probably not worth it yet.
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #85 on: September 21, 2010, 05:22:34 pm »

Hey, is anyone else not getting any ambushes or sieges in the new version?  I've tried two forts, the second one I even set up a fort in a tiny scrap of land between dark fortress farmlands.  Both were built up and up for several game years, yet not one single goblin or even kobold has shown their face.  Everyone else visits the trade depot (dwarves, humans, prancers).  The goblin civ was noted in the embark screen.  What's the deal?
So, remember I mentioned getting 24 dorfs on wave 3?  I got another dozen or so on wave 4, and was in the process of making my first military unit some iron weapons (hadn't located flux stones yet) when ... a goblin ambush.

Those 6 goblin macemen rolled my 50 dwarves like a grandma by a greyhound bus. :(  On the bright side, I learned how to designate kill orders, and tell my units to station at a particular place.  (8 soldiers, who had been sparring for 3 months, some iwth weapons ... 2 left after the first run in with gobbos ... the miners faired a little better -- 4 were still alive out of the original 7 when the ambush started.)
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #86 on: September 21, 2010, 06:32:14 pm »

Apparently, dark fortresses are now simply GIGANTIC, there's LOTS of them (there's four in a row here and I didn't even move from default selection!) and you can't embark on them. Unless I'm missing something.

I just tried a game with this build, after a break, and wondered what the hell was going on with the world. In earlier versions (like a year or two back) I never found locating a suitable embarkation too time consuming. Just a matter of choosing hot/cold, tame/wild and so on to set the challenge level to what I wanted. But progressively over the period, as I dip in and out of the game, I find the default worldgen creates worlds where I spend more and more time just trying to find somewhere reasonable. Almost everywhere has an aquifer unless it's a desert and in this build I ended up with a world that's roughly 60% salt water. Whole blocks of regions were given over to constructions as Dariush describes.

Is it worth tinkering with custom builds or would I be better off taking another break and hope that worldgen is somewhat more sane in future builds?
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #87 on: September 21, 2010, 06:35:22 pm »

Use 31.12 if you don't like the sprawl.
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #88 on: September 21, 2010, 06:48:46 pm »

Use 31.12 if you don't like the sprawl.
I can confirm from personal experience the game doesn't care about the world being from 31.12, even if you are running it in 31.13, as thats how my current world was made (gen world, move region folder to 31.13 directory, embark).
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Re: New strange things in 31.13
« Reply #89 on: September 22, 2010, 03:18:44 am »

I can confirm from personal experience the game doesn't care about the world being from 31.12, even if you are running it in 31.13, as thats how my current world was made (gen world, move region folder to 31.13 directory, embark).

Thanks, I'll give that a try. The last version I tried, a 30.* one, was OK on the world build but military dwarves didn't train so got slaughtered when the ambushes arrived so I'd like to give a later build a go.
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