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[Vherid]

Well with all this new barb rage stuff all over the place I'm confused again, what do I need to put down.

[The Fool]

If you are attacking normally with two weapons you use +6/+6 with 1d6+5 per hit. If you are raging then you use +6/+6/+6 with 1d6+7 per hit thanks to a strength increase.

I could be wrong about adding your strength modifier to damage for each hit though. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on the damage.

EDIT: Maybe you can talk to Shoruke about setting the server up early on Saturday to get practice. It's more simple than it seems.

EDIT2: I derped the numbers. I even had it right in the last post. I fix'd it. Sorry.

[Vherid]

If you are attacking normally with two weapons you use +4/+4 with 1d6+5 per hit. If you are raging then you use +4/+4/+4 with 1d6+7 per hit thanks to a strength increase.

I could be wrong about adding your strength modifier to damage for each hit though. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on the damage.

EDIT: Maybe you can talk to Shoruke about setting the server up early on Saturday to get practice. It's more simple than it seems.

Well why is it 444 instead of 666 now? Also that would probably be nice, also because I've never used maptools before.

[Shoruke]

So, I've had my mind changed for me about the Master Specialist PrC. I'll drop the changes to it, so you can take it at level 4.

I couldn't find that Barbarian rage variant in my Unearthed Arcana book, but from your description it looks okay. Just provide me with a page number or online reference so I can give it the final confirmation.

The noncaster Ranger looks fine to me.

Those rules for Align Water look good too. It's like sanctify, but for water!

You can fix the word wrap by using ctrl+a to highlight the whole box, ctrl+x to Cut it to your clipboard, then hit the back button on your browser, hit reply, click the giant textbox, and use ctrl+v to paste your text back in.

I think Fool was right about the Attack ratings; +8 if you attack only once, +6/+6 for Two-Weapon Fighting, and +6/+6/+6 for Two-Weapon Rage Fighting. The additional Strength from the rage basically cancels out the -2 penalty for taking the extra attacks. As for damage, as long as you're using the Two-Handed Fighting rules, you use your full strength bonus for damage with the primary side of the sword, and 0.5x your strength bonus for the secondary side. If you make only one attack with the sword, you can use it as a two-handed weapon (instead of treating it like two separate weapons) and use 1.5x your strength bonus for damage.
A handy feature of the program we use to play the game is the presence of dice macros; you'll be able to make a button each for pretty much any of your available attack styles.
I played a rogue once, who had seven different attacking macros, for fighting with/without Boots of Speed activated, or with different weapons, or when throwing daggers... ah, he was a good rogue. His damage output was ASTOUNDING. And he could flank on his own, and do short-range teleportation. And his journals were wordy, as evidenced on the 7th post on this page. His first journal takes up more space than my entire laptop screen. 

And I'll try to get the server up earlier than usual on Saturday for practice, yes.

[Lord Shonus]

Shoruke is massively understating how absurdly powerful that rogue was/is. In most fights, he outdamaged the barbarian, bard, sorcerer, and both wizards. Combined.

[The Fool]

The rage variant is called Whirling Frenzy on page 66 of the Unearthed Arcana book.

EDIT: Yay! The PrC is available at level 4! I can't wait to troll NPCs now. Illusion might be a rough ride without some high DC spellcasting. I hope that the battle uses are as epic as I think they can be. Shame I can't really kill things though.

[Kogan Loloklam]

Shame I can't really kill things though.

...
Wasn't this your problem with Van?

[Heron TSG]

I think his problem was that his character couldn't even participate in most battles.

[The Fool]

I didn't mind not killing things, but it was the lack of possible party participation. With this character I can raid, steal, and mock people if need be. I only mentioned the lack of killing because if I'm trapped in one on one combat I'm dead meat. I'm mostly a damage mitigator if I use major image to convince someone that they are hitting something that isn't an illusion (which it would be). Outside combat I'm a good sneaking character with the vanisher cloak, and basically any illusion spell to mislead people.

[RAM]

Illusion has probably the single lowest-level instant death spell in the game. It has plenty of drawbacks, but most of those are based upon saves...

[Grek]

Colour Spray and Sleep are both 1st level spells that make you effectively dead if you fail your save.

[RedWarrior0]

Shoruke, I have a few things from Frostburn/Homebrew that I want to verify are OK.

Spoiler: Feat 1: Piercing Cold (Metamagic) (Frostburn page 49)(paraphrased) (click to show/hide)

Spells with the cold descriptor:
Deal cold damage as normal against resistant creatures
Deal half cold damage to immune creatures (though saves can further reduce this)
Deal no damage to creatures with the cold subtype (though they can tell it's colder than normal)
Deal x2 damage (rather than x1.5) to creatures vulnerable to cold

Spell with this metamagic takes one slot higher

Spoiler: Feat 2: Icy Empathy (Homebrew) (click to show/hide)

Prerequisite: Diplomacy (10 ranks) or Diplomacy (5 ranks) and Wild Empathy class feature
Benefit:
+2 Circumstance bonus to Diplomacy and Wild Empathy checks made with creatures with the cold subtype
-2 Circumstance penalty to Diplomacy and Wild Empathy checks made with creatures with the fire subtype

Spoiler: Item 1: Iceheart, Minor (Frostburn page 110, slightly modified) (click to show/hide)

On command, produces these effects:
Ray of Frost (At will)
Fog Cloud (3/day)
Sleet Storm (3/day)
   To create: CL 5, Craft Wondrous Item, Icy Empathy
   Ray of Frost, Fog Cloud, Sleet Storm
   Price: 24,000 gp, Weight: 1 lb.

And, what they all are being requested for:

Spoiler: Prestige Class: Frozen Protector (Modified from Winterhaunt of Iborighu, Frostburn page 72) (click to show/hide)

HD: d8
Requirements:
Alignment: As druid
Skills: Concentration 8 ranks, Know(Nature) 8 ranks, Know(arcana) 5 ranks
Feats: Icy Empathy, Craft Wondrous Item, Piercing Cold
Special: Must craft an Iceheart.
Class Skills:
Concentration, Craft, Know (Arcana), Know (Nature), Profession, Spellcraft
2+Int skill points per level
Class Features

BAB/Saves: Cleric BAB, Good Fort, Good Will
Proficiencies: None gained
Spells per day/Spells Known/Caster Level: Increase as previous class

Level 1: Mantle of Ice: 3+Cha (bonus only) times per day, for Class Level +Cha (bonus only) rounds:
+2 to Will Saves and Cha-based checks(Profane or Sacred, depending on alignment; Neutral can choose)

Level 1: Cooling fire: -1 CL, -2 Save DC of spells with fire descriptor. Increase by -1 at level 5, level 10

Level 2: Resistance to cold 5; +5 at level 5

Level 3: Frozen Skin: +2 Natural Armor bonus to AC; +4 in Mantle of Ice

Level 4: Coldstrike: Cold damage from Spell, Su, SLA increases by 1d6; 2d6 at level 8; +1d6 in Mantle of Ice

Level 6: All [cold] spells have Piercing cold; no spell level change

Level 7: Cold subtype. Includes immunity to cold and vulnerability to fire

Level 9: Summon Frozen Ally: Summon Greater Large Ice Elemental; treat as Summon Nature's Ally IX, but only for Greater Large Ice Elemental, Caster Level = Frozen Protector level + Cha (bonus only)
Greater Large Ice elemental detailed below

Level 10: Wintry Apotheosis: Gain Elemental type, Gain Augmented subtype regarding previous type. Gain alignment subtype matching yours (So an NG character would have the Good subtype, etc.)
Elemental type includes: Immmunity to flank and precision damage, darkvision 60 ft, poison, paralysis, sleep,  and stun immunity, requires True Resurrection, Limited Wish, Wish, or Miracle to return to life

Spoiler: Greater Large Ice Elemental (Partial homebrew, partially modified Huge Earth Elemental) (click to show/hide)

Large Elemental (Water, Cold, Extraplanar)
HD: 16d8+80 (152 hp)
Init: +0
Speed 30 ft (6 squares)
AC: 20 (-1 size, +11 natural), touch 9, flat footed 20
BAB/Grapple: +12/+25
Attack: Slam +20 Melee (2d8+9/19-20 plus 1d8 cold)
Full attack: 2 slams +20 Melee (2d8+9/19-20 plus 1d8 cold)
Space/Reach: 10 ft/10 ft
Special Attacks: Freeze, Savage Ice 2d8
Special Qualities: Damage Reduction 10/-, Darkvision 60 ft., elemental traits, immunity to cold, vulnerability to fire, Frozen aura
Saves: Fort +15, Ref +5, Will +7
Abilities: Str 29, Dex 10, Con 21, Int 6, Wis 11, Cha 11
Skills: Listen +10, Spot +9
Feats: Awesome Blow, Cleave, Great Cleave, Improved Critical (slam), Iron Will, Power Attack

Freeze (Ex): cold damage as main weapon reduced one size category, not affected by critical hit; target must make Fort save (DC 15+Cold damage from hit(DC is Con-Based)) or fatigue; Fatigued foe who fails save is exhausted.

Savage Ice (Ex): Standard action, touch attack, once per minute: target must save (DC 20, Con-based) or is frozen solid for 1d6 rounds and takes lethal damage from Frozen Aura. On a critical hit, Save DC is increased by +5 and target is frozen for 2d6 rounds instead. A frozen target loses its dexterity and strength scores and gains hardness 5. A successful fire attack on the target deals 1.5x damage and thaws the target immediately. Upon thawing, a creature regains its Strength and Dexterity scores as they were before being frozen, then takes 1d6 ability damage to each, or 1d4 if the creature was thawed by fire damage.

Frozen Aura (Ex): Range = reach; All in range must make DC 15 (Con-Based) fort save or take 1d6 nonlethal cold per round. Upon leaving the area and returning, creatures who made saves must save again. Creatures who failed are not allowed a new save unless they removed all nonlethal damage from this effect. In addition, any creature in a grapple with the elemental takes 2d8 cold damage per round, at the start of the elemental's turn.

More normal Ice Elementals would have Push and Improved Bull Rush instead of Improved Critical and Savage Ice.

[The Fool]

I would love to have this spell, but it seems just a bit broken:

Spoiler: Phantasmal Assailants (SC p.154) (click to show/hide)

Phantasmal Assailants
Illusion (Phantasmal) [Fear, Mind-affecting]
Level: Sorcerer/wizard 2
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: One living creature
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Will disbelief (if
interacted with), then Fortitude
half; see text
Spell Resistance: Yes

If the target passes his will save this spell does nothing. When the save is failed the target is plagued by phantoms that deal 8 Wisdom and 8 Dexterity damage (Fort save reduces this to half). If the target is wearing a helm of telepathy then the spell backfires onto the caster.

Somehow I think this is a typo, but the errata disagrees.

I couldn't find an equivalent spell for contrast other than a 3rd level bard spell (Puppeteer SC p.163) that basically let you deal ability damage and make them jump off a bridge if they fail two saves. If only the second save fails they collapse for 1d4 rounds after taking ability damage. Insta-death so long as the first save fails. So yeah I might just stick to invisibility since Phantasmal Assailants is really OP.

EDIT: Maybe the spell casting level can be increased to 3 instead of 2?

[Heron TSG]

When it rains homebrew, it pours homebrew.

Spoiler: Homebrew: Boiling Sphere (click to show/hide)

Conjuration (Creation) [Water, Fire]
Level:    Clr/Drd 2, Wat 2, Sor/Wiz 3
Components:    S
Casting time:    1 standard action
Range:    Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Duration:    1 round + 1 round/level, D
Saving Throw:    yes (see text)
Spell Resistance:    yes (see text)


You conjure a superheated, steaming, boiling sphere of water that floats within a single 5 foot square.

The sphere deals 1d6 fire damage per round to targets within its square. At the end of its duration, the boiling sphere collapses (if it has a place to fall) and deals 1 point of splash damage to all adjacent targets. A Reflex save negates this splash damage.

The steam (or bubbles if underwater) obscure all vision through the sphere's space. It does not provide cover from ranged weapons, but it does provide concealment depending on the situation. Standing in the sphere renders a target effectively blind.

This spell functions normally underwater and in vacuums.

Spell Resistance applies only when a resistant creature is targeted by the spell, not when a resistant creature encounters a boiling sphere that is already in place.

[Kogan Loloklam]

I don't see why Fool's spell is OP for 2nd level.
What am I missing?