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[The Fool]

If I were to fight something with less than 8 Wis or Dex then it collapses. Then again maybe it isn't as bad as I think. The reason I said it was OP was because I couldn't find a spell of any level that did as much in ability damage.

[Kogan Loloklam]

I would think that in the spell compendium Spirit Worm would be worse, and it's a level lower.

[RAM]

If it really is damage, then it stacks with itself, so that you would need 17 in both dexterity and wisdom to remain functional after two successful castings. That seems to me to be a fairly unusual combination, not to mention that the preferred targets will be non-casters, who are likely to have low values in both wisdom and will saves. Not to mention that a failed will save lowers the victims will save by at least 2...

I would be tempted to make it touch-range and lower the damage to 4-6 depending upon my mood, or keep the range but lower the damage to 1d6 or 1d4.

If it was a penalty, then maybe, but damage, and an instantaneous spell, not even remotely balanced...

For reference, a single full-strength casting would take out Maelrigar, Corina, Pheron, or Kimko. Everyone else would go down in two castings, and stay down for 24 hours unless given ability damage healing...

[Grek]

The spell would be balanced if it was a penalty that lasted until you disbelieved it, I think. Still super strong, but you get two saves for it and even then, it would only disable you till you made a will save.

[RedWarrior0]

The spell would be balanced if it was a penalty that lasted until you disbelieved it, I think. Still super strong, but you get two saves for it and even then, it would only disable you till you made a will save.

As-is, you get a Will to disbelieve and a Fort for half. I also confirmed that it is, in fact, damage.

Also, what did you think was a typo?

[RAM]

Well, looking at it, phantasmal iller is 4th level and medium range, finger of death is 7th level and close range, while slay living is touch range at 5th level.
Finger of death and slay living are death effects and therefore makes raise dead ineffective, but are vulnerable to death ward(4th).
mind affecting effects can be blocked by mind blank(8th) and fear can be blocked by heroes feast(6th) and remove fear(1st) will grant +4 against fear effects for 10 minutes(the supression effect is useless against instantaneous effects).

Bestow curse is 3rd or 4th level, permanent, gives the caster a choice of results, probably a non-stacking penalty, has a minimum result of 1, and is touch range, making it a terrible example, but does reduce an ability by 6...

Poison is probably a pretty good analogue, there are poison-specific resistances, the damage is similar at 2d10, and it also hase a save to negate followed(1 minute later) by a save for half. Constitution is a more dangerous(but usually less vulnerable) attribute but the spell is only touch range. Level 3 for druids and 4 for clerics...

If it were a penalty then lesser geas is an interesting comparison, with a maximum penalty of -8, but that is more of a side-effect...

Symbol of weakness is 7th level and inflicts 3d6 strength damagewhich averages to 10.5...

[The Fool]

When I saw the spell I thought it was 1d8 Wis and 1d8 Dex damage, which is a lot more reasonable. The will save to dispel it is at the beginning of the spell before the effects occur. Then a fort save halves the damage. I suppose most targets have either a high will or fort save which makes this spell seem almost reasonable when left as is.

Even so I'd go for invisibility for the sheer number of uses. Maybe I'd take it if it is left as is, but otherwise I'm better off being creative with illusions.

[Dsarker]

Journal time.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Today is another day of unvarying inaction. Waiting is the hardest part of service, yet it is, too, the most rewarding. Maybe I can deliver my tithe to the Temple today. For now, farewell. When I get back, I will continue writing.


I have just gotten back from the temple, and I have at last something to deal with the inaction. A quest I have been given, to repent for my attack on the helpless. I will go to the ruins of Ibaea to retrieve an artifact of the Temple. It will take some time to travel through the desert. I decided to stock up on waterskins, and I have planned the route. Now to go back to town and get those waterskins.


This crew was more...chaotic than I had thought. It seems that after one party member had tried to kill some dragons that might have been attacking them, they kicked him out to die in the desert. He had attacked younglings before, but he is sorry and is joining me in my quest to repent for the killings. His name is Vaba,  by the way, and through the monk and myself he was brought back onto the bote.  Pheron, the person paying for the upkeep of the crew, has left the bote, and I have decided to take on that part, for now. My meager savings will barely keep them happy for a week.

Well, I can but trust in Hieronymous.

[RedWarrior0]

Journal time.

I should probably do that, too.

Spoiler: Journalogue (click to show/hide)

To my sister,

The city is so large, like Rivershire, yet it seems there is naught to do, save wait for the night of the venture into the dark. I feel cold, in body and in heart. I know I was sent to find my role as a friend of the earth, though there is a void. I shiver under the blazing inferno in the sky, as if Stygia chose to wash me over in its icy water. What am I to do to find an easiness? Even my sleep has been disturbed by dreams of ice. I shall carry on and find my purpose; there is somewhere I belong.

The party has undergone some shaking recently, as well. Van opted to work with the Eriden city guard; the path of the party is too chaotic and deadly for his peace. Vaba arrived in the city, to some surprise from us. Pheron didn't want him with us; when we voted for reconciliation, he left us. Lastly, Maelrigar has found another in his life, a wolf named Fenrir. How Lyca will treat this newcomer, I cannot say.

Soon I shall resume my search for the rest of our family.

With love,
Ethan

[Vherid]

So wait what's the time for the early opening?

[Dsarker]

I will be unable to get there tomorrow. Sorry all.

[The Fool]

So I'll be an hour late. I have work for the first hour of the session, but I'll try to hurry to the session. I'll have my character give the introduction letter when I show up. There is still the matter of what happened after Sandsedge and the fact that we lost 4 people since then. Should be fun RPing that.

[Kogan Loloklam]

Yep. Pheron, Mathaf, Uskton Slek, and Finny.

9 hours and 15 minutes for the session. Probably 8 hours and 15 minutes to the early opening.

[RAM]

I intend to sleep between now and the session so...

[The Fool]

I didn't count Finny since we probably already told the library about that in the commune in Sandsedge. If we didn't then we had 5 people leave the party including Van. My character might just facepalm since he would have to tell the library about that at some point.

EDIT: I found an updated version of Phantasmal Assailants (don't recall which book though) that reduced the damage to 4 Wis and 4 Dex. Would be handy in battle to reduce someones AC by 2.