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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2010, 11:09:30 pm »

the internet has 4chan.

I rest my case.
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2010, 11:11:54 pm »

I think 4chan may get a far worse reputation than they deserve. Sure, they're infamous for bad taste and seemingly alien morality, but most of the things they do in the real world seem well intentioned enough.
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2010, 11:31:56 pm »

Devil's advocate point: The internet has lead to a series of blatant lies masquerading as the truth, as the internet does not control its sources. This, combined with the tendency for students to first search the internet for information, will and has lead to violent misunderstandings being propagated as truth, far more than previous communication technologies. This, combined with relative anonymity, creates a feedback loop of half-truths among the internet culture.

Off topic: Every time I wrote the internet above, it was a struggle not to write it as THE INTAH-NET!!!
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2010, 01:18:15 am »

The internet is a tool, and has no moral standing. I'd probably change the debate if I state that there is no such thing as morality, or it's only subjective, but it's true for this case. The well-intentioned will use it constructively, and the ill-intentioned will use it in a spiteful manner. Either way, it is excellent for continuing your agenda.
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2010, 01:20:29 am »

If the internet is bad for you I have a quick solution!

GET THE FUCK OFF OF THE INTERNET!
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2010, 01:23:39 am »

Hmmm... I suppose that there's also the matter of society, and the effect that file sharing/pirating via the internet has done to business. Anything that can be made digital can be stolen, with little effort, and little chance for repercussions.
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2010, 01:45:44 am »

If the internet is bad for you I have a quick solution!

GET THE FUCK OFF OF THE INTERNET!

Dude. Its a friggen debate. Nice job.

Whilst I do believe that the internet is a great thing (as our great 'friend' above pointed out, we are on it), all debates need two sides. I believe (eh heh) that whilst the internet has the strength of uniting people and sharing information, is it REALLY needed? I mean, years and years and years ago, when the word internet would likely bring the image of multiple, connected fishing nets, did the world stay in the dark about science and be unable to meet people abroad? No, it did not. People used to go OVER to meet people, send letters and write the information they had learnt into books, where they were then placed in a library for safe keeping, where only the people who truly wished to learn would head to. Also, most of these methods left marks. Being the nature of the internet, information is easily lost, changed to suit the persons needs whom is writing it or has no viable proof, unlike the library's, where sources of the information was frequently listed on a page in the book, there was always someone looking after these books, all the information was stored in that one position and it was not simply possible for someone to walk in and say "I am right, this book is wrong, so I shall write over the information contained within".

I rest my (poorly explained) case.
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2010, 01:49:21 am »

If the internet is bad for you I have a quick solution!

GET THE FUCK OFF OF THE INTERNET!

Dude. Its a friggen debate. Nice job.


I know it's a debate, I'm just saying it to people who think the internet is bad.
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2010, 01:50:44 am »

I think the question we should be asking, is whether or not humanity is detrimental to the Internet.
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2010, 02:45:52 am »

Devil's advocate point: The internet has lead to a series of blatant lies masquerading as the truth, as the internet does not control its sources. This, combined with the tendency for students to first search the internet for information, will and has lead to violent misunderstandings being propagated as truth, far more than previous communication technologies. This, combined with relative anonymity, creates a feedback loop of half-truths among the internet culture.

Off topic: Every time I wrote the internet above, it was a struggle not to write it as THE INTAH-NET!!!

Just to back up this point a little:

The Internet has changed the very way in which we store information. In the past, reliable information was predominantly stored in the form of books, which were near-impossible to change short of recalling all copies. Now, however, information is stored in a digital medium. While this does not cause problems in and of itself, it means that the information is lost among the sea of misinformation. Information in this format can be revised at a moment's notice, such as news companies retroactively editing their articles. This means that the people who post this information up on the Internet are much more relaxed about it, as they can edit their figures to make themselves right in the end. The people who just cut-and-paste information into their reports have a much higher chance, statistically speaking, of being wrong. Even though the Internet has facilitated international research and helped to keep scientists in touch, the sheer volume of misinformation published outweighs this fact.

Now for another point: intellectual diversity

The Internet has helped connect people into this global "web of consciousness", in effect making the whole world in your backyard. This is much like a single enormous community, where ideas spread quickly. While again, this is not inherently bad, it does has some downsides. Ideas on the Internet - also known as memes - are a form of peer pressure, to fit in with the current definition of "in". And in such a large community, peer pressure is a force to be reckoned with. In effect, everyone is striving to be the same, to have the same likes and dislikes, the same interests and views, etc. (this is much more apparent on social networking sites like Facebook). What we need, however, isn't similarity - it's difference. Its people who dare to challenge the predominant ideas of their time - such as Galileo challenging the geocentric view of the universe which was held in high opinion - who make scientific progress. In part, this is because ideas which have been held for a long time tend to become like religions, whose supporters will sometimes overlook evidence to the contrary. And in a homogeneous society, will we have such people who overturn the ideas of their time?
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2010, 03:23:47 am »

Define good and bad.
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2010, 03:36:10 am »

When ever I try to explain that the internet actually have valuable information, the question comes: "How do you know you can trust the writer?"


I ask: "How do you know you can trust the words in that book?"

"Just because it's on paper doesn't mean it's right"
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2010, 12:02:34 pm »

I ask: "How do you know you can trust the words in that book?"

Because academic literature goes through a meticulous peer review process to make sure it is.
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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2010, 12:55:52 pm »

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Re: Discussion of the Week: "Is the Internet detrimental to humanity?"
« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2010, 02:41:34 pm »

The way I see it, the internet isn't any more detrimental to humanity that the invention of written word(and later printing press) was to the humanity of yore.

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