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[lolghurt]

Apparently my magma isn't so much as hot as "made of large serrated discs" I haven't ever gotten a heat related death injury, instead getting "Urist McMelty has bled to death."

[LemonFrosted]

Their parts melt off then their blood spills out. Magma doesn't cauterize in DF, so the wounds bleed profusely.

[Medicine Man]

Are you running Genesis mod?

[lolghurt]

Their parts melt off then their blood spills out. Magma doesn't cauterize in DF, so the wounds bleed profusely.

The most recent guy was trapped in a 7/7 square and bled to death.

Are you running Genesis mod?

no

[Quietust]

Magma seems to have some severe temperate transfer issues in version 0.31 - small creatures like dwarves will bleed to death once their fat melts off, but larger creatures will survive the first phase but then actually catch fire and finally die in the heat.

[Daetrin]

Magma seems to have some severe temperate transfer issues in version 0.31 - small creatures like dwarves will bleed to death once their fat melts off, but larger creatures will survive the first phase but then actually catch fire and finally die in the heat.

I've never had anything die in the heat. Which means no engravings of !!elves!!  ...which makes.me sad.

[Shoku]

You could just mod their size up. If you're not directly fighting them it won't matter and if you are your dwarves will be dwarfier for stabbing larger elves to death.

[Quietust]

I should also point out that while large creatures will eventually die in the heat, it can take upwards of 20 seconds (at 100fps).

[Akura]

Interestingly, the only thing I've seen not die from magma are undead. I had several arena zombies in magma for some time. They all burst into flames before long, but the only one that died was a zombie antman that got into a fight with a zombie whale.

[INSANEcyborg]

Magma seems to have some severe temperate transfer issues in version 0.31 - small creatures like dwarves will bleed to death once their fat melts off, but larger creatures will survive the first phase but then actually catch fire and finally die in the heat.

It's not really a problem with magma, it's that with the new material system, everything has a spec_heat value now.  It'll take time before something gets hot enough to ignite.   Fire has the same problem.  I've been using some !!Graphite blocks!! as an incinerator, and certain things last longer than others.  For example, wooden junk from the elves burns up long before hide roots even catch fire.  According to the material_template, the spec_heat for wood is 420 and plants is 3000.

[Valkyrie]

The spec_heat of blood makes it wonderful insulation.  Get a couple of types of blood coating a wooden item, or a cloth shirt, etc, and it will last an impressively long time in magma.  It easily outlasts things like copper and silver (unless they're blood-coated as well, of course).  You can burn bloody cloth/wood while not melting copper (say, in a quantum-stockpile of invader droppings) by doing a slow heating (one 7/7 magma tile in a system that pumps magma onto the tile, lets it drop a couple z-levels, and then it gets caught by the pumps to restart the sequence), though even then it's easy to overdo it.  This also means having a bloody mess of weapon traps in front of your magma-traps winds up providing invaders with a fresh coating of anti-magma insulation ><

I haven't poked around the dwarf materials to be sure, but I suspect that this is the cause behind the way the dwarves die - the fat layers are first heat-accessible layer to reach a failure point (by virtue of their spec_heat, failure temperature, and construction of the body), leading to mass bleeding.  The blood would take much longer to heat up, and thus likely the dwarf is dead before the blood has reached boiling - also keeping anything thermally protected by blood from becoming vulnerable in any practical scenario.  Overall, very little in this version seems to !!burn!! - stuff gets destroyed by flame certainly, but very little of it seems to !!ignite!! before getting worn down to destruction, at least for me.

Also, it seems that 'burning' (!!stuff!!) and 'fire' (the "a fire" object seen on burning grass tiles) are treated differently.  Fire seems to be able to destroy contaminated cloth, leather, and wood items much more easily and quickly than 1/7-3/7 magma.  !!Burning!! objects seem to follow the same rules as magma does, but 'a fire' seems to use a different system.

[lolghurt]

The spec_heat of blood makes it wonderful insulation

So should I change the spec_heat to something lower, or will that make spontaneously combusting dwarfs?

[Quietust]

The spec_heat of blood makes it wonderful insulation

So should I change the spec_heat to something lower, or will that make spontaneously combusting dwarfs?

Reducing spec_heat will only cause things to heat up or cool down more rapidly - it will not affect the temperature at which they melt, boil, ignite, or otherwise take damage (those are controlled by MELTING_POINT, BOILING_POINT, IGNITE_POINT, HEATDAM_POINT, and COLDDAM_POINT).

[KojaK]

Mod the elves into vampires. Make their blood boil at 90 degrees, and make it change temperature instantly. As soon as they walk ouside in the sunlight,their blood is heats up and boils inside their own veins instantaneously, then expands rapidly causing massive hemorrhaging. The escaping blood-vapor rips holes in their skin and rushes out, making elves swell up and pop like balloons.

Do this now. Armok demands elven blood-vapor.

While you're at it, make dwarven hearts pump sunshine. Only the finest.