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[Leonidas]

I want to adjust my raws to make whips and scourges more reasonable.

1.  How exactly should I alter the raws?  (I'm assuming broadening the contact area.)

2.  Editing those in the raws won't require a new worldgen, will it?

[Grimlocke]

Its hard to tell what you want to alter about them, but ill guess you want to make them weaker? Try giving it an edged attack and a very low contact/penetration area. Reducing size can also weaken it.

And yeah fortunately it doesnt require a regen. Just make sure you edit the saves raws and not the general ones.

You might want to ask these things in the modding forum though.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Massively reduce their weight, make scourges blunt. That's really the only way to model them more accurately at the moment.

[3]

Its hard to tell what you want to alter about them, but ill guess you want to make them weaker? Try giving it an edged attack and a very low contact/penetration area. Reducing size can also weaken it.

Conversely, I suggest you give them a larger contact area/penetration size and somewhat lower velocity. It won't be perfect, but it might help.

[Zsword]

If my understanding of whips/scourge/flail is correct, you want to reduce wait, and velocity, and increase contact area, that way they can't jackhammer so much as Mallet.

[Alastar]

The problem isn't in the raws, it's in things that aren't modeled. Since the weapons are flexible, you shouldn't have the full weight behind the blows, only that of the striking tip. Changing the usable material from metal to leather would also appear reasonable, at least for whips.

[MarcAFK]

After screwing around with whips, and scurges today i found the easiest solution is to set velocity to somewhere between 200-300, i believe at 200 they tend to deflect off armour constantly but eventually you'll get bruisings and after hundreds of hits the target will bleed to death, at above 300 they bash through armour better than hammers and will win every time..

[Alastar]

There is a reason whips make a cracking sound - their velocity should be very high. Otherwise we may as well admit 'forget simulation, let's use a gamey combat model'. Which would make the game lose some geek appeal.

[petersohn]

I think that for realistic modeling, they should have very low weight but high velocity. I don't know what that does in the game, though.

[Lord Shonus]

There is a reason whips make a cracking sound - their velocity should be very high. Otherwise we may as well admit 'forget simulation, let's use a gamey combat model'. Which would make the game lose some geek appeal.

The effect is what's important. Having hte method be exact would be ideal, but the current system does not allow it.

[GaxkangtheUnbound]

Have you ever felt a leather whip?
Hurts like hell.
Try a silver whip.
Hurts even more.
Besides, a copper whip can shove the skull into the brain of a creature, slaying it.

[Lord Shonus]

it takes roughly one thousand lashes from a cat of nine tails to kill a bound, unarmored human.

[MarcAFK]

well anyway, with the whip velocity at 200 at least hammerdorfs can kill them, but they tend to still win against everything else 1vs 1. so at least they aren't combat breaking, unlike arrows =/

[Khift]

it takes roughly one thousand lashes from a cat of nine tails to kill a bound, unarmored human.

Cat 'o nine tails is not a weapon designed for use in combat; it's designed and used for punishment.

Regarding whips, flails and scourges, whips and scourges should have very low weight, very low contact area and very high velocity and should count as blunt weapons; so make the scourge a blunt weapon (it's currently coded as an edged weapon for no apparent reason) and reduce both of their weights to be more realistic. For flails, I don't really see what is the issue with them. They've got average weight, high contact area (for a blunt weapon), high velocity and good penetration depth (for a blunt weapon). They look like they should be worse than war hammers and maces pretty much straight out.

Have people been having issues with flails? I thought it was just whips and scourges that were laser-guided killing machines.

[Moonshine Fox]

Quite frankly, I am unsure as to why we have whips as weapons at all. Is there any historic basis in weapons used as a mainstay weapon in armies? My own, rather lacking, history knowledge only speaks of whips (of all kinds) as a method of punishment, not combat.