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[claer_runway]

how many z-levels up are they? I must reach them!

[kilakan]

To add to the dead dwarves coming back discussion, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere from toady that people and animals who are left in the refuse pile (aka not given proper rest) will eventualy come back to life and kill you, I think he also jokingly mentioned something about making some artifacts bring people back from the dead, but on your side.

[KillerClowns]

still, what purpose does hell have in df world? theres no dead people, no satan; as far as we know theres no heaven (is it at the top of the spire? we'll never know.) so what does it do? what is it for? why is it there?

My interpretation?  Hell just is.  The world of Dwarf Fortress is a cruel world of meaningless lives and false gods, where all souls, from the righteous to the profane, end up in the depths, to be twisted into macabre forms and damned to forever hate and envy the living.

[Niveras]

It's not that bad because dwarves drop all their stuff when they die, so you would be attacked by a nude unarmed axedwarf. I'd be more interested in the quadruple-amputee engraver from my last fort rising again.

The forgotten zombie Urist McDead has come! A grotesque mass of quivering and decaying flesh, it flops erratically. Beware its gibbering teeth!

[Urist Imiknorris]

Beware its lust for violence!

[MetalSlimeHunt]

My interpretation is that Hell isn't as important as we are lead to believe. You dig down and down and down, but what really do you accomplish? Break into a few caverns? Find a sea of magma? Big deal. You break through the adamantine, but what important thing to you find? Nothing. A bleak, dark cavern of unminable rock filled with mindless powerful beasts you dub demons. It isn't even worth it. And that's the true horror, that this place you know to exist or at least suspected to exist isn't some epic battle for untold wealth or power, it's just a bunch of animals who roam around in the dark for all eternity attacking any outsiders they come across.

I think Toady should add some sort of Infinite Torture Device at the bottom of the glowing pits, that will drag any passerby down into it and do horrible things to them while not allowing them to die. It would be the only way to 1-up Upper Hell.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Giant tentacles reaching up out of the pits and attacking dwarves/pulling them in.

[Vercingetorix]

I've always seen it more as another plane overlaying the DF world with the portals to it sealed by adamantine in some long-forgotten war.  By breaching one of the tubes, you reopen the portals and the demons can swarm out.

Considering demons are capable of becoming gods and civilization leaders, it would be really interesting to have actual demonic civilizations down there fighting each other, creating settlements and artifacts, and fighting or collaborating with civilizations above.  A dwarven civilization that, say, sold its proverbial soul to ally with them for whatever purposes would be a new twist on relations between them and their fellow dwarves.  There would be a high price for such an unholy alliance, of course...

[Urist McKing]

I've always seen it more as another plane overlaying the DF world with the portals to it sealed by adamantine in some long-forgotten war.  By breaching one of the tubes, you reopen the portals and the demons can swarm out.

Considering demons are capable of becoming gods and civilization leaders, it would be really interesting to have actual demonic civilizations down there fighting each other, creating settlements and artifacts, and fighting or collaborating with civilizations above.  A dwarven civilization that, say, sold its proverbial soul to ally with them for whatever purposes would be a new twist on relations between them and their fellow dwarves.  There would be a high price for such an unholy alliance, of course...

Or you could just make an underdark to replace hell, or maybe just place hell below the underdark.

[pbheadtemp]

ya, just make, what, 9 circles of hell, and you have to conqure each one.. each level getting progressively more impossible... and then if you did just a liiiitle bit deeper, suddenly your dwarves find themselves at z level 32767!, (assuming toady used short ints)   

[Internet Kraken]

When you think about it, we can only scratch the surface of hell. If the center of the world is hell, then hell is massive. Much bigger than everything above, since the surface can only stretch around it. The majority of the world is hell. And we're only breaking into the first part of it. Deep down, wherever the glowing pits lead to, is where the ultimate horrors lurk.

[Aramco]

When you think about it, we can only scratch the surface of hell. If the center of the world is hell, then hell is massive. Much bigger than everything above, since the surface can only stretch around it. The majority of the world is hell. And we're only breaking into the first part of it. Deep down, wherever the glowing pits lead to, is where the ultimate horrors lurk.

It must be explored. I request that a map of ALL of HFS is made. ALL of it. Then, build. Build the greatest megaproject. Ever.

[Vercingetorix]

Or you could just make an underdark to replace hell, or maybe just place hell below the underdark.

That seems like what's sort of going on with the lower levels of the caverns, but it's far from that degree of difficulty or danger right now.

[Utaelilya]

Aint there anyway to mod hell?
Like replacing the slade with normal stone and then we can see whats under
( i know its nothing there )

[Rumrusher]

uhh actually undead are friendly... to those under the wild civ.
found this out from body swapping a hellish sky blue fiend and climb up a demon fort.

the zombie animalmen and maybe wild sentient animals won't attack those who is apart of the Wild civ which is marked "-1" in runesmith this means one can walk into a demon fort and recruit the undead.
From what I know from hell is that it just another plane that wild animals walk in.