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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1035 on: November 05, 2010, 10:52:44 pm »

Razor seems like he has enough armor that the mouth may not be able to get through it, as it is reenforced,
Does razor ever wear armor? i think that the answer is no, and despite him being able to build some, he doesn't ever use any, so i think its safe to say, that despite being able to do so, he wouldn't wear any in this competition since he never does in the show.
if the island works on physics, the fact that it has chitinous armor would work against it, as chitin just doesn't work on a creature that size.
The island sort of works on physics, but not really, powers that work in series do so, even if they are impossible in the real world.
And if we are going on physics, a cat that size would overheat really easily and probably die, since it has no sweat glands.

as for the "Having no armor would give more bonus than armor against everything but the xenomorph" argument, that's just blatantly wrong. What with the tech that he seems to have, a suit that provides armor and mobility (Power armor?) is most likely not beyond his ability, thus making this a moot point, as it would help against everything.
Not armor, i was talking about a evo suit. Armor would help against everyone, but again razor doesn't ever wear armor, so i doubt he would make a exception to what he normally uses for this competition.
And ed said no power armor, even if razor was capable of it.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1036 on: November 05, 2010, 11:36:46 pm »

He's screwed unless he actively chases the alien down, since he doesn't wear armor.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1037 on: November 06, 2010, 12:36:18 am »

He has a shield and the alien makes noises when it attacks. Alien doesn't dodge and Razor has a rocket-launcher in his glove, he just has to point at it and it dies.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1038 on: November 06, 2010, 12:41:23 am »

What? What type of rockets?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1039 on: November 06, 2010, 12:41:33 am »

rockets + close range = smart. . . totally.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1040 on: November 06, 2010, 12:46:02 am »

Small rockets, possibly missiles, some of which do not have exploding warheads.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1041 on: November 06, 2010, 12:48:26 am »

Can't have alot of ammo then. Unless his hand is hollow...
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1042 on: November 06, 2010, 01:17:36 am »

He has a shield and the alien makes noises when it attacks. Alien doesn't dodge and Razor has a rocket-launcher in his glove, he just has to point at it and it dies.
The sheild is part of his glove, while he is using it, he can't use anything else. Also, the alien would be able to break through the sheild pretty easily with his tail, which would mean razor wold die because if the sheild was messed up he wouldn't be able to retract it.
Small rockets, possibly missiles, some of which do not have exploding warheads.
What variants?
Exploding wouldn't work, as some of the alien's blood (even with the explosion if its at close range) would probably hit razor

And finally looking on the internet, the only thing i can see resembling a heat scanner that the cats use appears to be in a vehicle.
If anyone could find a picture/source showing razor using a handheld one then cool, otherwise mabey it only appears in vehicles.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2010, 01:24:15 am by lemon10 »
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1043 on: November 06, 2010, 01:27:46 am »

Some blood splashing from the exploding- Isn't there a disqualification clause for suicide attacks?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1044 on: November 06, 2010, 01:29:48 am »

That's why alien rush. Anyways, if the alien gets close enough to claw him or stab him, then he's losing a limb or seriously injured.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1045 on: November 06, 2010, 01:34:43 am »

A shield can deflect the tail and cenomorphs really aren't that agile. They take, like, two or three seconds to stand up if they are knocked onto their sides and Ripley has personally dodged more attacks fighting the queen than the entire alien species in its entire history...
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1046 on: November 06, 2010, 02:13:35 am »

if the sheild is able to fit into a glove (with about a dozen other things), and the glove doesn't weigh like 30 pounds, then the sheild has to be pretty thin.
And even if the sheild can deflect his attacks, all of razor's weapons are in his glove, which the sheild stops razor from using, and in the time the shield retracts, the alien could attack razor again.

And the suicide attacker would be razor if the splashing blood hits him, since he is the one doing a attack that results in his death.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1047 on: November 06, 2010, 05:06:30 am »

You know why the aliens died in the movies? Because the humans sometimes holed up in a place, so the only choice the had is to zerg rush them, BUT if there was a other choice they would certainly use it. Like in alien 3 or 4 i dont remember, where marines land on a infected mining base and meet the aliens they lose a bit of humans but manage to set up a sentry and close a few centimeters steel thick door. First the aliens zerg rush AGAIN, but the stop soon and find a way trough the air vents and get inside the room safely.
And ragnarok ALIENS also use their tail to impale enemies. They also make sound but only when they are at killing range, a cat would be screwed at that distance. While a Predator could survive since afterall they hunt aliens as a sport.

And for the missile thing. Missile do have a flight tim right? So missiles are in all ways slower than bullets, and in the movies the aliens are pretty freaking fast if they can avoid a heap of plasma shot out of a plasma gun from the predators shoulder. So he can dodge the missile

So aliens are not suicidal ever, and this one wont be suicidal for sure since he used his own brain and knows that there are no mates to help him out.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1048 on: November 06, 2010, 11:19:00 am »

The tail is harder then diamond and it has enough strength to plunge completely through marines and predators wearing armor. That shield ain't gonna help. Even if it shoots acid it, how are you gonna get it off?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1049 on: November 06, 2010, 04:09:08 pm »

I've been trying to post this several times now, but couldn't get proper info together. I'll try again now.

I'll list all of Razor's standard gear, things he WILL take with him no matter what:

First and foremost, Glovatrix. This covers most offensive capabilities, as well as a buckler that can withstand what amounts to high-caliber rifle rounds (in the show, they deflected alien blaster bolts with them, as well as all kinds of other attacks; more specifically, in "Caverns of Horror" it's shown to easily withstand hits from six-foot-tall armored scorpion mutants). The Glovatrix are fairly large, and are loaded with (presumably, highly limited amounts of) these, in no particular order:
  • Explosive mini-missile (enough force to blow apart smaller animals/monsters)
  • Mini-octopus missile (latches on and pushes target away, with considerable force)
  • Mini-bola missile (releases a three-headed bola that constricts the target, and pushes it away as well)
  • Mini-turboblades (very sharp flat projectiles, at least good enough to cut apart a high-voltage cable)
  • Mini cement launcher (shown to be ineffective for stopping large targets, but useful for blinding or clogging up machinery)
  • Mini-Tarpedo (a large glob of tar shot with enough force to knock a person back)

Also provides a grappling claw and winch, a mini-crossbow for special grenades, a cutting torch, and a circular saw.
Already quite a handheld armory. No, it doesn't quite weigh 30 pounds, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of ammo for everything, and most gear seems to be nearing Batman-level sophistication anyway, like a 30mm missile that can push back a giant armored scorpion-thing.

Next standard equipment piece, Jetpack. These are used extensively on several occasions, most notably in "Ci-Kat-A" and "Caverns of Horror", both of which depict them as lightweight and unencumbering, with great speed and manuevering in flight.

SWAT Kats also wear their standard helmets, which, being fighter pilot helmets, come with portable oxygen masks and visors that provide infrared light detection and basic targeting feedback (though the latter is never shown to work outside of vehicles). The helmets also have flashlights mounted behind the red triangle piece on the forehead.

Other portable equipment known to be used by the 'Kats:
  • Delta-packs - Folding paragliders stored in the same backpack that houses the jetpacks. Used when jetpacks run out of fuel.
  • Heat suit - Used in one episode and damaged in the end, but presumably Razor can replace it. Good enough to withstand close contact with a giant magma golem and a subsequent detonation of said golem, though not without damage. If the show is to be trusted on this, can be ditched in about 5 seconds - that's how long it was between Volcanus's severed arm hitting the river, and the suit floating up to the surface. I presume the helmet can be thrown off as quick as any other. Comes with a built-in jetpack as well, but doesn't seem to allow use of the Glovatrix due to size.
  • Kat Launcher - Also used once. Seen stored inside the Jetski vehicles, this bazooka-like device is, presumably, capable of launching any normal-sized SWAT Kat missile. In the episode depicted, was loaded with an Octopus missile, and was later seen blowing up a roof, so it must carry reloads as well.


Of the last three, Razor will have the deltapack, and will probably have a modified heatsuit that will allow him to use a Glovatrix and move more freely, in exchange for lesser protection around the joints.
Spoiler: Razor in heatsuit (click to show/hide)
In addition to that, I think he'll spend most of his time preparing against Kikaida and his EMP - being a gadgeteer, this ability will stand out to him, and he'll know how bad it is to lose weaponry because it already happened to him, in "SWAT Kats Unplugged". He'll likely spend extra effort to upgrade all his gear to be EMP-proof, and will only have minor additions to his standard equipment - because really, anywhere they go, the SWAT Kats get by with only the things they have on them in Turbokat's cockpit. He's likely to see the need for extra protection, but not much beyond that. Even the motion-sensor thingy is debatable - like I said, I don't think there was a single motion detector in the show, not even as an alarm mechanism, not in secret labs, not in SWAT Kats' own secret base, not anywhere.

So, all in all the best strategy Razor has for fighting the Alien is using a Bola missile to pin it to a tree, and then just blowing it up from a safe distance - or get showy and split it limb from limb with turboblades, same difference. Physically, Razor can briefly overpower the Alien, but not for long - several fight scenes in "Caverns of Horror" have him punching and kicking away things that don't seem any weaker than a xenomorph, even if lacking the acid blood, but he doesn't seem like he can keep that up forever. To the "things" credit, they are supposed to be too tough to kill with normal weaponry, and the "queen" shrugs off a pulse from a laser that is later used to slice off a chunk of rock under its feet, sending it falling into magma (which it also survives). So, Razor already went up against tough, fast, toothed, clawed, and blade-tailed creatures, in his standard gear, and didn't get killed, so I presume he can handle a Xenomorph in open combat. He can only fall to an instant-hit ambush, and once he knows where the Alien is he won't lose.
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