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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1020 on: November 05, 2010, 06:16:14 pm »

It constantly drools the web stuff that takes nutrients and mineral from the ground nearby life and gives it to the alien. Couldn't it use the mineral and stuff?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1021 on: November 05, 2010, 06:34:50 pm »

So, it is coating itself in mucous? that could offer some protection but it is probably brittle. As for just hardening it directly, I would imagine that some sort of mechanism would need to be established by which they can wilfully modify their biology. I am not denying that they can't, I would just like to know the mechanism. Also, it would probably increase weight and reduce performance, not that it necessarily wouldn't be worth it...
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1022 on: November 05, 2010, 06:41:43 pm »

No drawbacks? Limited agility, speed, vision and hearing! There is now way anyone sane would bring an evo suit to a close combat fight.

And I keep telling you, NBC suits do not limit your agility or speed and only mildly impact vision and hearing.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1023 on: November 05, 2010, 06:44:19 pm »

Guys, I'm pretty sure the SEVA Suit sets the gold standard in the competition for NBC suits. It doesn't impede Strelok's movement. Ergo, Razor can bring something just as good and not have his movement impaired. Agreed?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1024 on: November 05, 2010, 06:46:47 pm »

I doubt that- actually, Razor is probably already accustomed to using visual equipment, but the hazardous materials outfit still doesn't seem appropriate. I still say that between the fur and the experience with hazardous materials that Razor would survive an acid splash, though possibly with injuries, while the alien would not survive a missile...
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1025 on: November 05, 2010, 06:56:13 pm »

Alien can dodge. How many missles can he carry at once? Only a matter of time before he runs out.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1026 on: November 05, 2010, 07:15:46 pm »

When has an alien ever dodged anything?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1027 on: November 05, 2010, 07:54:07 pm »

When did it need to dodge? ;D
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1028 on: November 05, 2010, 08:08:59 pm »

Would Razor be smart enough to camo himself?

Also, I think that the alien has a clear advantage in stealth, at least at night.

The way I think of this matchup is of Razor as a glass cannon, powerful but breakable, with the xenomorph as a fragile speedster/lightning bruiser, fast and strong, but goes down to moderate firepower.
It this close, or completely incorrect?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1029 on: November 05, 2010, 08:26:28 pm »

Somewhat. Razor is a glass cannon while the alien lightning fast, strong, acid spitting monster that goes down to anything that goes boom or zap.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1030 on: November 05, 2010, 09:41:57 pm »

The alien has unmatched strength, speed and agility
Subjective.
No matter how much fighting skill you have then you really won't be able to kill (or even injure) the alien simply due to the fact that it has rock hard armour and is the strongest creature in the universe!
Subjective.
Short of anime style fighters (or mabey some sci fi), alien is better in melee combat in every way then a regular human (or cathuman), its faster, stronger, has rock hard skin,  sharp claws, and even if you DO manage to injure it, your weapon will break and corrode, so you couldn't harm it a second time.

Would Razor be smart enough to camo himself?
Also, I think that the alien has a clear advantage in stealth, at least at night.
The way I think of this matchup is of Razor as a glass cannon, powerful but breakable, with the xenomorph as a fragile speedster/lightning bruiser, fast and strong, but goes down to moderate firepower.
It this close, or completely incorrect?
Camo would be completely useless, alien senses electrical impulses or something, camo wouldn't be able to cover it up.
xenomorph isn't fragile at all, as anything that would kill it would kill a human a few times over, but razor's long range weapons would be able to kill it fairly easily.
Guys, I'm pretty sure the SEVA Suit sets the gold standard in the competition for NBC suits. It doesn't impede Strelok's movement. Ergo, Razor can bring something just as good and not have his movement impaired. Agreed?
Er, don't think so because its from a different game, real world stuff isn't that good, because the SEVA suit is designed for something that isn't in the real world. And if Razor was fighting anyone besides the alien, no one would even have brought up him wearing a evo suit, since its pretty clearly good only for this fight. People say that it doubles as armor but if thats the case, so does armor and without causing perception problems.
In a case of +1 to everything but +5 verses werewolves, versus +5 to everything, but -10 against Aliens(werewolf?) any sane person would (unless they know they are fighting werewolves), chose the second option, because its pretty clearly better in 98% of cases.
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You would choose the armor you know to be most effective - he would choose the +1/+5 armor because it has no drawbacks save that of being slightly less effective against other opponents.
Lets run a cost-benefit analysis:
one would give +1.1 on average (the one you think razor would pick), the other would give +4.7 on average. The drawback of the first is that its less effective against EVERYTHING but one opponent. The second on the other hand is more effective against everyone but one opponent.
If you know you are fighting the opponent that its effective against then you would pick it for sure, otherwise (less then about a 25% chance of fighting it) you would pick the second.
And what do you need a citation on? the 98% figure?
« Last Edit: November 05, 2010, 09:43:33 pm by lemon10 »
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1031 on: November 05, 2010, 09:59:59 pm »

to put this abundantly clear: The only weapon that the Alien ever uses in A1 is its mouth, and stealth. Razor seems like he has enough armor that the mouth may not be able to get through it, as it is reenforced, as well as knock back missiles if he is pinned. The alien would try to get all fancy with it's hiss-bite attack, get sent flying, and blasted into oblivion. all the acid would be directed away from razor by the explosion, and if any did hit him, he removes the piece of armor that was hit. the alien will not opt for a silent attack. EVER. It always takes its time opening its mouth and then attacking with the inner mouth, during which time, his opponant can deliver the one-two punch and kill it. as well, if the island works on physics, the fact that it has chitinous armor would work against it, as chitin just doesn't work on a creature that size. as for the "Having no armor would give more bonus than armor against everything but the xenomorph" argument, that's just blatantly wrong. What with the tech that he seems to have, a suit that provides armor and mobility (Power armor?) is most likely not beyond his ability, thus making this a moot point, as it would help against everything.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1032 on: November 05, 2010, 10:02:41 pm »

And if Razor was fighting anyone besides the alien, no one would even have brought up him wearing a evo suit, since its pretty clearly good only for this fight.

This is precisely why everyone should have been forced to pick a loadout for the character at the very beginning that wouldn't be subject to change- They would have to pick as all-purpose gear as possible given space and weight limitations, and we wouldn't have to deal with this bullshit over and over again.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1033 on: November 05, 2010, 10:06:43 pm »

I, personally, disagree with the notion that Razor would be able to deal with the alien in any way within melee combat.
But, I do think that if the alien is spotted at range (range being in this case anything over 10 meters), Razor's firepower would render it unto chunky salsa.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1034 on: November 05, 2010, 10:16:07 pm »

I maintain that:
1) In melee combat it would wear him down until it killed him
2) The engagement would almost certainly be started by the alien at melee range
3) If Razor attempted to initiate it, the alien could simply flee and try again
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