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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1005 on: November 05, 2010, 02:40:54 am »

They'd say he could bring the parts and assemble it there then, I imagine.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1006 on: November 05, 2010, 04:10:05 am »

I'm reading everything being said about Razor and wondering why Paul was disqualified. Razor probably could've built a large enough static generator to knock out Paul's shield and would have brought it, according to the arguments for him...
no, he couldn't have, the book is specific in that your need a HUGE ONE, probably with a massive power drain, really loud, and it wouldn't move either, probably bigger then razor could build in 3 days or bring through. However, he is about as OP as paul, depending on what you let people argue he'd bring against specific enemies.
This is stuff that is driven through the portal, no assembly or scavenging required. The bicycle is permitted under the 'mount' clause and should have sufficient storage capacity to carry spare ammunition. The rockets are quite small and it should be possible to carry a couple of each variety personally. the bombs, also, would be relatively small and hand-held. The bicycle would also have the capacity to launch ordinance directly. It would probably not be beyond the scope of possibility that it would be able to be converted into mechanised armour, although that would probably be beyond the scope of the tournament.
Nope, if good reason a bike could be taken through but since the bike clearly makes him stronger then everything in this competition i think its a bit fair to say shenanigens on letting him. it also says a horse quality mount, if he wanted to take a horse through sure, but a motorcycle isn't a horse. And its pretty clear that contestants can't bring vehicles anyways.
They'd say he could bring the parts and assemble it there then, I imagine.
His strength is a smallish catman, he can't bring 300 pounds of shit through the portal, to counter what everyone is using. If he felt like spending 3 days putting a bike together on a island sure, but if he tried that he would be killed making it.

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There is no way whatsoever that Razor could win up close, as the alien's increased speed, agility and strength would give it such a major advantage that it would inevitably win.
Except Razor is an agile cat-human highly proficient in martial arts. In case you're not familiar with them, most martial arts give you a boon in that you use your speed to your advantage. Fighting an Alien wouldn't be that hard, as Razor would be about as fast, have the training to deal with multiple attackers (thus, multiple limbs) and when going up against most fighting styles strength doesn't mean shit.
Dunno about you, but when fighting something alien with a extremely hard shell, i think strength would matter a great deal, and although Razor is apparently super badass, kicking something like the alien would be a pretty good recipe for disaster
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The acid blood and spit would also give it a major advantage at medium range and closer, with the acid easily being capable of burning through a puny evo suit (it melts through several floors of metal space ship!).
Let me explain something: When has an Alien's spit NOT worked? Never, right? The Alien thinks the same thing. After it spits, it's not going to think "Okay, now I wait and see if it works." It's going to think "Experience says this always works, so move in and killkillkill." It's basic psychology. When that spit hits and starts burning, Razor's going to flip and rip that shit right off. Now, he's down a suit and maybe goggles, but he's still relatively unharmed, and now the Alien's charging straight at him like an idiot, leaving him open for Razor to deal a killing blow.
Don't think you understand, he doesn't have a full face mask (cause i still think its bs he would take a evo suit), so some of the acid would miss his goggles, eating into his face, so at least some of it would hit burning through his face  killing him, even if he managed to take out the alien.

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I'd respond to lemon, but he's honestly stopped making sense. He just repeats the same thing with a slightly different wording every time, and I've already refuted that stuff. But just in case ed boy misses my post and sees lemon's, let me answer that first thing right now since it's kind of new:
Armor will protect him from most people well, but do jack shit against other people. An evo suit would give him greater protection than normal against most people and almost certainly save him against an alien. It's not a case of +50 versus werewolves and -1 to everything else, versus +1 to everything.
It's a case of +1 to everything but +5 versus Werewolves, versus +5 to everything, but -10 against Aliens.

I repeat the same things because im arguing against what YOUR saying, and i didn't think you have proved it so i repeated the same thing because you don't seem to get that he wouldn't take it.
Here, ill slightly reword again since you apparently didn't get it the first few times: a evo suit would help against a alien, but be worse against everyone else then armor, he could bring and it would make it harder for him to spot something, and move about. If razor was fighting anyone else, you wouldn't mention him bringing a evo suit, because contrary to what you are saying, it wouldn't help against anyone but the alien.
In a case of +1 to everything but +5 verses werewolves, versus +5 to everything, but -10 against Aliens(werewolf?) any sane person would (unless they know they are fighting werewolves), chose the second option, because its pretty clearly better in 98% of cases.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1007 on: November 05, 2010, 04:22:30 am »

so... Motorised bicycle, with flying heat-sensing drone and a device capable of taking out Kikaida.
Hand-held device that detects xenomorph chemicals and communicates with drone.
Armour capable of withstanding bullets, electrical attacks, acid(delaying), and capable of being removed quickly.
Shield treated against acid, also capable of being removed quickly.
Single-use stick with massive electrical output.
Array of rockets.
Array of bombs.
Enough storage on the bicycle to continue to move quickly.
Training sessions designed to randomly emulate one of the other contestants.
Is any of this incompatible or beyond Razor's means?
Some of this stuff (flying heat-sensing drone, for example), I'm going to give a flat 'no' on, as I do not recall anything like that being used in the show, and furthermore the construction time would be far too long. Constructing anything new is probably not going to happen, unless that something new is simple. Modifying existing equipment (such as the thermal scanner that was discussed earlier) would be allowed. For example, as he has access to a lot of military equipment, he could probably get his hands on a few stab/bullet protective vests and piece together something with a lot more coverage, which seems like something he would prioritize.

How much do they know about the precious round? They know who won, did they also get to see the match?
I'm going to have to rule that they no nothing about the previous round, except who survived and who did not.

Also remember, contestants are told who reaches their round, so Razor knows he only has 8 opponents to choose from. If he could bring his Cyclotron with him, he could close the missile-mode canopy and sleep in it, with quite enough warning should anything try to get to him. But as far as I know, the Cyclotron has been ruled out by the GM.
not 8 opponents, 15. 16 made it to the round, but one of them is razor, so there are 15 possible opponents for him.

The cyclotron, I'm going to have to rule out. It allows mounts on the same calibur as a warhorse, not a warhorse that can shoot rockets and provide a shelter safe from other people.

It would probably not be beyond the scope of possibility that it would be able to be converted into mechanised armour, although that would probably be beyond the scope of the tournament.
Definitely beyond the scope of the tournament.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1008 on: November 05, 2010, 04:58:56 am »

It wouldn't be beyond the ALIEN to harden his biological armor?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1009 on: November 05, 2010, 05:09:54 am »

I guess since the Cyclotron is out, Roland can't enter the tournament riding Blaine the Train? /silly

Also, from the beginning, I think , we should have

A. PM'd our character choices
B. In said PM, we decided what equipment said character would bring

Would of solved alot of issues.

Anywho, I'm still seeing Razor, a highly trained soldier with ranged weapon skill, against a vicious, wild animal, using only claws.

Not too hard to see a winner here!

THEN AGAIN...I'm biased. As always. I'm looking to the next round. ;)
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1010 on: November 05, 2010, 05:30:06 am »

Also, from the beginning, I think , we should have

A. PM'd our character choices
B. In said PM, we decided what equipment said character would bring

Would of solved alot of issues.

I would have liked to do that, and I asked people for a summary of what equipment and stuff their character would most likely have. However, proper analysis of equipment and such takes a lot of discussion and a lot of time. I would have liked to do it before the tournament started, but running thirty-two simultaneous in-depth discussions is beyond my abilities. The next best option would be to go through the characters in depth a couple at a time, and while you're considering just a couple of the characters in detail at a time, you might as well to the first round matches.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1011 on: November 05, 2010, 07:29:44 am »

In a case of +1 to everything but +5 verses werewolves, versus +5 to everything, but -10 against Aliens(werewolf?) any sane person would (unless they know they are fighting werewolves), chose the second option, because its pretty clearly better in 98% of cases.

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You would choose the armor you know to be most effective - he would choose the +1/+5 armor because it has no drawbacks save that of being slightly less effective against other opponents.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1012 on: November 05, 2010, 08:48:11 am »

unless stated otherwise a robot with such power requirements would most assuredly radiate significant energy
It's a good thing it was stated otherwise by the DARK search teams.

Anyhow, can Razor knock down trees? The Alien could lay in wait and push trees onto him.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1013 on: November 05, 2010, 12:22:49 pm »

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Anywho, I'm still seeing Razor, a highly trained soldier with ranged weapon skill, against a vicious, wild animal, using only claws.
You kidding me? Aliens rarely use their claws, they prioritize  spitting, impaling with their tail and leap, thrusting his second mouth right into some vital part.

And it's not obvous who would win this. But like these peop;e are saying, he has everything to counter anyone if he is allowed to mass haul stuff if not then he is still good. I really think alien would win this one, since technicly the fight will happen in the jungle

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1014 on: November 05, 2010, 12:31:03 pm »

You would choose the armor you know to be most effective - he would choose the +1/+5 armor because it has no drawbacks save that of being slightly less effective against other opponents.
No drawbacks? Limited agility, speed, vision and hearing! There is now way anyone sane would bring an evo suit to a close combat fight.

Also, to the people saying that Razor could beat an alien in close combat then you are obviously wrong. The alien has unmatched strength, speed and agility and the only reason it doesn't kill Ripley is because of Deus Ex Machina. It has acid spit, a deadly medium ranged weapon that will burn through the face of whoever attacks it. It has acid blood so should Razor make it bleed in any way then the blood would likely drip on him and burn him. It also has rock hard armour that only armour piercing rounds are capable of piercing, as far as I know Razor's paws aren't armour piercing. No matter how much fighting skill you have then you really won't be able to kill (or even injure) the alien simply due to the fact that it has rock hard armour and is the strongest creature in the universe (possibly excluding the 'space jockey')!
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1015 on: November 05, 2010, 02:22:41 pm »

The alien has unmatched strength, speed and agility

Subjective.

No matter how much fighting skill you have then you really won't be able to kill (or even injure) the alien simply due to the fact that it has rock hard armour and is the strongest creature in the universe!

Subjective.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1016 on: November 05, 2010, 02:50:33 pm »

In this case anything within this universe simply wouldn't be able to match the alien, never mind a sapient cat.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1017 on: November 05, 2010, 03:32:15 pm »

I don't think Razor will just kick the alien away and shoot it as it is sprawled out on the ground. Razor will most likely block its initial attack with the shield, then jump off of the alien, pushing himself away as much as the alien. I don't see anyone suggesting that Razor can overpower the alien, but blocking, dodging, and getting a moments distance to shoot with all seem plausible.
 As far as I am aware the only alien that chose to use its tail as a weapon was the queen, although I am quite possibly missing something here. The first alien's use of acid blood seemed to be limited to some that was sprayed during the face-hugger autopsy. Although once again it is quite possible that I am mistaken and that they do deliberately spit acid. Even the untrained civilians kept finding mucus lying all over the place, you are most likely to know that you are up against the alien before you see it and that you are in its territory...
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1018 on: November 05, 2010, 03:46:25 pm »

You know what happened when they found it? They died. Once again, can the alien harden it's exoskeleton.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Razor VS Alien
« Reply #1019 on: November 05, 2010, 04:56:28 pm »

How would it do so?
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