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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #600 on: October 12, 2010, 02:59:14 pm »

so far, it seems like it would go this way:

-Strelok, being more sneaky than tidus, manages to land a few shots with one of his firearms.
-Tidus would most likely be using his ultimate weapon, which is linked to his health. While he's at full health, he's an absolute powerhouse, but as he gets injured, he gets a lot weaker.
-At this point, Tidus has taken heavy damage, but he knows where Strelok is (but he is out of sword range). Tidus tries to hide behind the nearest tree.
-While under cover, Tidus casts haste on himself. Strelok will either reload, throw a grenade, or both, depending on his weapon, how fast he is, and how long it takes Tidus to cast haste.
-Tidus would then either try to cast cheer, buffing him up, or move out from cover. If he tries to cast cheer, that would probably be enough time for the grenade to go off and kill/incapacitate him.
-If Tidus moves out, he would not really be able to charge directly at Strelok - Running in a straight line towards someone with a gun makes you a good target. Instead, he would try to flit from cover to cover.
-Strelok would most likely try to get him as he moves between cover, but I imagine he would be lucky if he got any good shots.
-If Tidus were to try to case slow on Strelok, it would most likely need him to stop long enough for Strelok to be able to get a lot of shots in
-Once he gets behind close enough cover, strelok would most likely switch to using a shotgun. Tidus would almost certainly have switched to a different weapon at some point.
-At this point, it becomes a question of whether a wounded, hasted Tidus can kill Strelok in close quarters.

In summary, it doesn't look good for Tidus.

I'm sorry ed boy. I WANT Strelok to win. But the people here are just stupidly biased towards him. Though it pains me to say it, he is NOT an uber-powerful, hyper-accurate demigod. He's just a fast, strong human with experience surviving in the Zone.

Tidus, on the other hand, is a speedy lightning bruiser with a sword that can slice through the skin of gods the devil without much trouble, let alone the armor of a regular human.

Strelok has artifacts that augment his abilities. But not a lot. He'd still be quite human in his limits, just a lot better than the average human.

His weapons are strong, but he's going up against a magic user, whose spells seem tailor-made to slow down the reflexes of ranged enemies. In reality, Tidus has a low chance of dodging the bullets Strelok shoots. But, his chances are higher than most, and on top of that you are assuming that Strelok will get the first shot.

Tidus is no stealthy commando, but he's not some lumbering brute and he's definitely not inexperienced enough at the end to go charging in like an idiot. Okay, maybe he is but he's not going to stand out in the open and wait for you to shoot him. If the groaning, shambling mutants of the Zone can sneak up on Strelok, Tidus can. And if he does, it's game over.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #601 on: October 12, 2010, 08:56:02 pm »

Strelok's damn good at fighting off powerful, hard to kill, and stealthy enemies with very strong attacks: bloodsuckers (and poltergeists, but they're not as damaging).  Is Tidus invisible?  No.  Does he stand out against the jungle?  Yes, yes he does. A sword, a shield, and multiple chains are going to be pretty loud when Tidus runs around in the jungle.

Also, while Strelok is not god-like, he is a man who goes into a radioactive hellhole full of deadly anomalies and extremely dangerous mutants (bloodsuckers, controllers, pseudogiants, poltergeists, even those swarms of wild dogs), where almost everyone is out to kill him (in an area where practically everyone is a badass), and not just survives, but thrives.  One man, constantly outnumbered and outgunned, and he becomes the highest-ranked STALKER in the zone (Try winning the game as intended without this happening.  Just try.).  Heck, just to win the final battle of SoC, he pretty much needs to be a hyper-accurate gunman.

Has he killed extremely powerful melee combatants?  Yes.  Can he survive their blows for a while?  Yes.

Has he killed swarms of invisible attackers?  Yes.

Has he killed fast-moving melee specialists?  Yes.

Has he killed enemies which mess with his aim from a long range significantly, slow him down, stagger his movement, make his vision extremely blurry, make him sway around while he tries to fire, and repeatedly try to blow his brain apart, while being able to take absurd amounts of damage?  YES.

Remember, the Zone's mutants aren't groaning, shambling messes (with the exception of Fleshes).  They're things like the fast-moving swarms of wild dogs, duplicate-creating fast psi-dogs, invisible and fast swarms of bloodsuckers, tank-like pseudogiants, aim and movement-hampering controllers, invisible telekinetic poltergeists, and fast boars.  Almost all of these can take a ton of damage before dying.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #602 on: October 12, 2010, 08:59:17 pm »

And with one mod, he also gets to deal with Zombies (which make a LOT of noise), mutated cats, and other assorted nasties that got removed from SoC, not to mention the fact that with the SAME mod he has to weather multiple emissions.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #603 on: October 12, 2010, 09:03:08 pm »

And with one mod, he also gets to deal with Zombies (which make a LOT of noise), mutated cats, and other assorted nasties that got removed from SoC, not to mention the fact that with the SAME mod he has to weather multiple emissions.

However, that's just Oblivion Lost, which doesn't count for this.

Strelok did survive multiple emissions, though.  The one at the very end of SoC, and the one in the intro.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #604 on: October 12, 2010, 09:04:44 pm »

Well, it's the Oblivion Lost mod, which returns things to SoC that were cut, so technically OL is more feature-complete than SoC and therefore more viable as a rubric to measure Strelok with.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #605 on: October 12, 2010, 09:18:23 pm »

And with one mod, he also gets to deal with Zombies (which make a LOT of noise), mutated cats, and other assorted nasties that got removed from SoC, not to mention the fact that with the SAME mod he has to weather multiple emissions.

However, that's just Oblivion Lost, which doesn't count for this.

Strelok did survive multiple emissions, though.  The one at the very end of SoC, and the one in the intro.
Emission? In the Intro? That's Clear Sky.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #606 on: October 12, 2010, 09:22:38 pm »

And with one mod, he also gets to deal with Zombies (which make a LOT of noise), mutated cats, and other assorted nasties that got removed from SoC, not to mention the fact that with the SAME mod he has to weather multiple emissions.

However, that's just Oblivion Lost, which doesn't count for this.

Strelok did survive multiple emissions, though.  The one at the very end of SoC, and the one in the intro.
Emission? In the Intro? That's Clear Sky.

...And this is what happens when I confuse my STALKER games.  Bleh.

Though that reminds me of something: we can count Strelok as having gone through Clear Sky too.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #607 on: October 12, 2010, 09:45:29 pm »

We're counting SoC Strelok, but the skills he gained in Clear Sky were pretty much the same compared to SoC.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #608 on: October 12, 2010, 09:53:59 pm »

I just wanted to say something, have people completely forgotten Tidus' ability to use a Blitzball as a deadly weapon? It is one of his Limits in FF10. So he actually can have a form of medium ranged weapon. I also do believe he'd be carrying around Mega Potions, and some other equipment, so he would be capable of recovering.
Though Strelok has fought all that he has, I do not think he has entered the belly of a giant fish/demon thing and killed it(With a party of people) surviving its attacks and then having to fight all the Aeons. Also fighting a lot of enemies, potentially more then all the enemies found in the Game Strelok was in, considering that Tidus is from an RPG game.
Did that make sense? (Don't hate me for defending Tidus.)
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #609 on: October 12, 2010, 10:41:39 pm »

Whoah, whoah, whoah.


First of all, Strelok was thrifty enough to beat several exoskeleton armored elites, possibly wipe out a whole company of Duty members or similar, survived the horrors of the X-Labs by himself, survived an exploding truck hit by pure electricity, most likely get shot multiple times, survive a tripmine exploding right from under him (Although with medical help), and other fecking horrors. And what the hell is a Blitzball? It involves water? The suit is designed to be enclosed, and resist impact.

Hell, I'll give a bloody rundown of what Strelok has fought.

Then comes the Trenchcoat bandits, more deadly and more fucking numerous, Body count of around 20-60.

And now comes the AKS-74u armed Grunts, although only 10 died due to being only grunts that don't get shoved into the zone.


As for fucking mutants, I ain't freakin' counting, they're more numerous than the average population of wolves in most parts of the world. Body count of more than 500 probably counting the mutated giant rat swarms.

And if he fought Duty or Freedom, he might've murdered 200 STALKERs of either faction if he did, as that's their regular clan population.

Although Strelok is fucking skilled enough to kill those people, and is a completely normal human, he can match an overly trained Tidus McJackass. Even if Tidus uses Haste and Slow, Strelok WILL get shots in, and if Strelok DOES get the first shot, Tidus WILL go down due to the no visible armor on head or chest. And if he DOES get into melee range, Strelok can still either fill him with lead or get in an extremely long knife battle.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #610 on: October 12, 2010, 10:53:07 pm »

The blitzball is a weapon used by Tidus and Wakka.
It's really just a super-heavy-duty sports ball that seems capable of withstanding and causing grievous injury to monsters.
With the skills those two have, it's comparable to a cannonball.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #612 on: October 12, 2010, 11:19:05 pm »

I'm pretty sure there's a spiked blitzball in game.
Wakka is the one who uses it as a normal weapon, but it's not unreasonable for Tidus to carry his own.
Though, still won't do much against Strelok, probably.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #613 on: October 12, 2010, 11:20:06 pm »

The blitzball is a weapon used by Tidus and Wakka.
It's really just a super-heavy-duty sports ball that seems capable of withstanding and causing grievous injury to monsters.
With the skills those two have, it's comparable to a cannonball.

So, basically...it would be just like fighting a poltergeist, but without the annoying invisibility in the way?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Strelok VS Tidus
« Reply #614 on: October 13, 2010, 12:59:48 am »

I haven't played that particular FF game, but if I recall correctly, it's not uncommon for highly trained individuals to be "bosses" in FF-verse, of the kind that it takes the entire party significant efforts to defeat. In this case, Tidus would be alone against such a boss, and one without a pattern of attacks. Even if you count Strelok as a mediocre boss (he's not an Eldritch Abomination, even if he defeats things that could qualify as such on a daily basis), Tidus is in for a very hard fight, one he might not have the resources to last through.
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