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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Marx Soul VS Alex Louis Armstrong
« Reply #690 on: October 24, 2010, 12:49:24 am »

But if the both have ways of flying in the air, maneuverability and aim come into play. Marx could probably take way sharper turns due to not being able to pass out from the force of the turns. (He has no blood.) With that, he could outflank Alex and gun him down with whatever ranged attacks he has, while Alex futilely tries to hit back.

Or Alex could, you know, stay on the ground and just punch rocks at him. I don't think Marx is anywhere near fast enough to avoid the kind of shots that Armstrong throws. Then when Marx inevitably falls to the ground, stunned, Armstrong deconstructs him with a punch.
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Re: Fight to the death the second
« Reply #691 on: October 26, 2010, 10:13:49 am »

Winner:Alex Louis Armstrong

Alex wins as CJ describes.

Next round: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #692 on: October 26, 2010, 12:33:11 pm »

Ohh, this is a hard one.

This will be a nearly equal fight, I think.

Paul is a military genius, both in large-scale and single combat. He's been trained by the best in both mental and physical disciplines.

Ezio is an Assassin. Not much needs to be said.

I think it could go either way. Both could lose or there could be a tie.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #693 on: October 26, 2010, 01:09:13 pm »

Ezio is an Assassin. Not much needs to be said.

I think Paul has assassin training as well.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #694 on: October 26, 2010, 01:55:36 pm »

Strongly depends on whether this is pre- or post- Water of Life/Muad'Dib ascension on Paul's part.  If Paul is the Kwisatz Haderach, he has the nigh-unstoppable premonition advantage on his side - he can predict and counter Ezio's moves before he even makes them.

However, there is a strong (albeit awkward to arrange) defence against this.  If Ezio can arrange matters such that Paul killing him will take mankind off the Golden Path and doom them to destruction, Paul will have no choice but to allow himself to die.

Though that is pretty hard to accomplish.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #695 on: October 26, 2010, 03:41:04 pm »

It depends on if we are talking about Ezio realisticly or talking about him in the video game. In the game he is entirely unstoppable. Seriously, he can take on entire armies if you have the patience and some timing skills. The character himself is, however, not so perfect. He is from
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which would possibly make it possible to kill Paul, perhaps, and he is a tactical genius. Whether or not this could match up to Paul's premonitions or not I don't know. It could be possible for Ezio to get Paul in a situation that he physically cannot escape, I guess.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #696 on: October 26, 2010, 04:05:35 pm »

A protagonist from a video game is almost always unstoppable because if something in the game would be able to stop him or her reliably the game would quickly stop being fun (given some exceptions of courser, but those don't really apply to assassins creed)

Ezio is an Assassin. Not much needs to be said.
I think Paul has assassin training as well.
He's versed in the way of the assassins wars, but he's not trained as an assassin himself, at least not on the level of the assassins creeds' assassins. He is a pretty damn good sword fighter though, both with and without a holtzman shield.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #697 on: October 26, 2010, 05:43:46 pm »

Prescient Paul automatically wins. He does actually know exactly who he will be fighting. He knows where they are, what they are doing, and their entire life story. He has an entire empire to draw resources from. He just brings a bomb, places it somewhere with 100% certainty that the opponent will be there when the timer expires, while being 100% certain that the opponent will never encounter Paul.

Video-game Ezio doesn't stand a chance. Paul knows exactly where he is and has the patience to wait centuries(alive) for things he isn't going to be alive to see. He knows exactly where Ezio is and has no reason whatsoever to walk into a trap. Holtzman shields make Ezio's training almost an impediment, as trained movements will have their timing completely distorted...

Maybe we should use Paul from the Dune Movie. He can kill people by yelling at them...
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #698 on: October 26, 2010, 05:52:00 pm »

Somehow I think we have to nerf absolute prescience. Why?

Prescient Paul automatically wins. He does actually know exactly who he will be fighting. He knows where they are, what they are doing, and their entire life story. He has an entire empire to draw resources from. He just brings a bomb, places it somewhere with 100% certainty that the opponent will be there when the timer expires, while being 100% certain that the opponent will never encounter Paul.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #699 on: October 26, 2010, 05:54:26 pm »

Took the words right out of my mouth, Barbarossa. There is simply no way Paul could lose if he is capable of that. And we want this to be a competition. This can't be a competition with absolute prescience.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #700 on: October 26, 2010, 08:26:11 pm »

Prescient Paul automatically wins. He does actually know exactly who he will be fighting. He knows where they are, what they are doing, and their entire life story. He has an entire empire to draw resources from. He just brings a bomb, places it somewhere with 100% certainty that the opponent will be there when the timer expires, while being 100% certain that the opponent will never encounter Paul.

Video-game Ezio doesn't stand a chance. Paul knows exactly where he is and has the patience to wait centuries(alive) for things he isn't going to be alive to see. He knows exactly where Ezio is and has no reason whatsoever to walk into a trap. Holtzman shields make Ezio's training almost an impediment, as trained movements will have their timing completely distorted...

Maybe we should use Paul from the Dune Movie. He can kill people by yelling at them...

I'm assuming this is your way of saying that Paul shouldn't be prescient. Because if this is your idea of fair I think it's time to slap a Disqualification on this guy and move right along. Also, why would his empire be able to supply him? He gets what he can carry at any given time.

Another thing I really think we need to bring up about these Holtzman shields: how fast is the wind? If there's even a breeze the air can't get into the shield, thus they would suffocate. Even then, Paul would still have to defeat the hyper-competent Assassin Ezio in combat. Paul would likely try to fight slowly and calmly, trying to get through a shield that's not there. Ezio, on the other hand, can deflect his blows with ease and then go find a cliff to knock him off.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #701 on: October 26, 2010, 10:04:47 pm »

Except that Paul was also trained to fight those without shields. Duncan Idaho taught him that.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #702 on: October 26, 2010, 10:45:14 pm »

What would happen if you had your hand through the shield while say, choking him, and you punched quickly with your other hand? Would the shield activate and cut your hand off?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #703 on: October 26, 2010, 11:00:16 pm »

No, your punching hand would bounce away, and your reaching hand would be crushed by the field attempting to reform to its normal shape instead of its 'bent' shape.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Paul Atreides VS Ezio Auditore
« Reply #704 on: October 27, 2010, 02:48:35 am »

The wikipedia page states that paul went through a long period before becoming prescient. It woulod be best to use that version of paul, shortly before he became prescient.
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