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Author Topic: Fight to the death the second: Round two  (Read 83819 times)

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #510 on: September 30, 2010, 06:23:24 am »

Mr. Miyagi kicks ass at close combat. He is flexible, strong, and agile. He defeated three men half his age and six inches taller than him with his bare hands. Also, note that he did not have to dodge every attack. He merely had to make his opponent miss. An axe swing can easily be deflected by pushing on the haft or the flat of the blade.
Yep - there is no doubt that he will win if he gets into range. However, the question is whether he will be able to get into range.

Touch the lightning with one hand and use the leg on the same side of your body to ground it, but make sure to have your other limbs higher up. The lightning will pass near harmlessly through you. The only damage will be if you have exceptionally dirty skin, in which case the dirt will burn as the lightning enters and exits.

That is complete bollocks. The lightning will indeed pass through you, but it will not do so harmlessly. When a bolt of lightning travels through the air, it heats the air up to around 30,000°C. The average human body has a much higher resistance, and thus will be heated up a lot more. Furthermore the lighting will not simply pass down your arm, through the side of your torse and out the same leg. Most of it will, but large amounts of energy will also pass through other parts of your body, causing great damage.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #511 on: September 30, 2010, 06:44:35 am »

Actually, it may work if you're wet. Water being a good conductor, lightning will seek a path along the surface of your body rather than through it. But in this case, there will be lightning without rain.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #512 on: September 30, 2010, 07:15:02 am »

Lightning isn't some indivisible object - even if you're wet it'll still go through you.

A very crude approximation is to imagine an electric circuit with two resistors in parallel. Even if one has more resistance than the other, both of them are going to experience an electric current.

Even if you were to somehow get the lightning to go around you, there's still the 30,000°C temperatures to deal with.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #513 on: September 30, 2010, 08:07:40 am »

Well, there are cases out there of people getting struck by lightning and getting away with naught more but some burned clothing. It's definetly possible to shrug off a lightning strike, it's just not all that easy. And it's hardly going to be possible in this case anyway.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #514 on: September 30, 2010, 08:19:34 am »

That is complete bollocks. The lightning will indeed pass through you, but it will not do so harmlessly. When a bolt of lightning travels through the air, it heats the air up to around 30,000°C. The average human body has a much higher resistance, and thus will be heated up a lot more. Furthermore the lighting will not simply pass down your arm, through the side of your torso and out the same leg. Most of it will, but large amounts of energy will also pass through other parts of your body, causing great damage.
Electricity will always follow the shortest path of least resistance. With the high resistance of the human body, most of the electricity will travel this path.

Roy Sullivan survived getting struck by lightning seven times. Not once did the heat from the bolt cauterize his entire torso.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #515 on: September 30, 2010, 12:17:38 pm »

Most of the electricity will follow the past of least resistance, but not all. The proportion depends on the comparitve resistances of the different paths available.

Also, using a single person as a baseline for the entire species when it comes to lightning resistance is very bad practice. I will not accept examples of a single individual surviving multiple strikes as evidence that mr.mayagi would be able to survive.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #516 on: September 30, 2010, 05:22:45 pm »

The lightning is predictable, you just need resistant footwear and a metal staff, plant the staff, get a little distance, duck, and you are left with someone who is facing away from you, doing a guitar solo, in the middle of a fight. Eddie has about as much combat discipline as a whale that spontaneously comes into being falling towards a planet from the upper atmosphere. Eddie is all about power, and has nothing else, Miyagi specialises in redirecting power...
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #517 on: September 30, 2010, 05:25:51 pm »

Yep - there is no doubt that he will win if he gets into range. However, the question is whether he will be able to get into range.
Did you watch that video I posted? Eddie beats the holy hell out of dozens of demons, along with the ruler of them all. Mr. Miyagi is a regular (though skilled) human, and ancient at that. The move Eddie does where he knocks people away alone would be enough to break a few of the man's bones. I'm sorry, but you guys are overestimating Miyagi; while good, the others in this contest are at an entirely different level.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #518 on: September 30, 2010, 07:53:25 pm »

You keep saying that Mr. Miyagi is just an old man, but did you see what he did to those three guys, without breaking a sweat? He was trying to be nonlethal.
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Re: Fight to the death the second
« Reply #519 on: September 30, 2010, 08:12:40 pm »

Winner:Eddie Riggs

Eddie wins as I described above.

Next round: Ozymandias VS Kikaida

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #520 on: September 30, 2010, 08:39:47 pm »

Here is more information on Kikaida. I think he's got this one in the bag. Ozymandias may be the best a human can be, but he's fighting a robotic fighting machine. Ozymandias can catch a bullet, but Jiro can just ignore bullets. Ozymandias is the strongest possible human, but Kikaida successfully out-grappled Grey Rhino King, who has a million horsepower.! (He'll crush your arm!) Kikaida's 'Electromagnetic End' attack can disable any of Adrian's fancy technologies.

Adrian would then have to prove that he can defeat Kikaida in melee combat.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Mr. Mayagi VS Eddie Riggs
« Reply #521 on: September 30, 2010, 08:42:34 pm »

I think Kikaida would win. Also, the title of the thread needs to be updated.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Ozymandias VS Kikadia
« Reply #522 on: September 30, 2010, 10:28:53 pm »

I suspect that one million horsepower would be an exaggeration. Also, the electromagnetic end would need to hit the gadgets, and Ozymandias is probably faster and I doubt that the full limits of Ozymandias' abilities were ever tested. Still, it doesn't look good for Ozymandias. Kikaida seems to have a huge advantage in terms of brute force.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Ozymandias VS Kikadia
« Reply #523 on: September 30, 2010, 10:52:24 pm »

Ozymandias might be faster in some forms, such as dodging, but Kikaida has run faster than a motorcycle during a motorcycle chase.

Here is a video of Kikaida doing crazy stunts (including dodging), and it also has Grey Rhino King in it. Kikaida is far more powerful by the end of the series, but it gives you an idea.

I'll try to find the translated opening sequence where Grey Rhino King squeezes a dam worker's arm until it flashes colors.

GRK: Where is the control room?
Dam worker: I don't know!
GRK: I'll crush your arm! I have a million horsepower!
Dam worker: screams, and then dies.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round one: Ozymandias VS Kikadia
« Reply #524 on: October 01, 2010, 12:09:53 am »

It doesn't take a million horsepower to crush an arm, and I feel that it was an exaggeration on the part of the writers rather than the character. I suppose what I am saying is that horses are not as powerful in that universe...
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