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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1365 on: December 14, 2010, 07:13:49 pm »

Ezio's skills seem to be more suited to infiltration than stealth, and sneaking through a city is a very different matter than sneaking through a forest. I don't see anyone getting first shot without an ambush, and that would require knowing where your opponent will be. There are likely numerous water-sources with numerous angles of approach, food supplies are largely random, and both participant are probably experienced enough to avoid the most obvious vantage points. Armstrong is unlikely to hunt at night, but can probably build secure lodging for himself.

Can Armstrong block a well-timed crossbow bolt?

Can Ezio dodge a flying statue?

Can Ezio sneak in a lethal knife blow before Armstrong's superior power overwhelms him?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1366 on: December 14, 2010, 07:19:15 pm »

Can Armstrong block a well-timed crossbow bolt?
Potentially, but he's just as likely to take it and just power on through. Unless it's an instant kill the odds of Armstrong being killed by one crossbow bolt--at least in the time it'd take to run up to Ezio and paste him--is unlikely.

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Can Ezio sneak in a lethal knife blow before Armstrong's superior power overwhelms him?
Probably, but the problem is that Ezio isn't all that good at sneaking. He's fine at infiltration like you said, when there's other people around to use as distractions, or a whole lot of cover to sneaky-sneak in. But actual stealth, ironically, isn't his forte. We must also consider that since the Ishvalan conflict was a military against a group of civilians forced into combat. Armstrong may well have experience against guerilla warfare tactics.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1367 on: December 14, 2010, 08:01:46 pm »

I was thinking more about twisting an extending blade into an dangerous position from the side in a manner that Armstrong wasn't expecting to be a threat. This would be "sneaking" in the sense of using deceptive combat techniques.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1368 on: December 14, 2010, 08:10:13 pm »

True, but Ezio would probably need to sheathe his weapon to do it with the hidden blade, which would be a warning sign. With any other weapon, there's no reason to suspect that Armstrong is prepared for an attack from any direction in full-frontal combat.
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« Reply #1369 on: December 14, 2010, 08:22:35 pm »

I say a little sneaking and a crossbow go a long way, as adv mode teached me.

And if one crossbow doesn't, then just let the Italian bring a dozen of them and fire them one after another. The target is human. Humans and crossbows...dead humans.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1370 on: December 14, 2010, 08:35:27 pm »

You mustn't forget that actual crossbows take more than 2 seconds to reload, and Armstrong is A) not an idiot, B) fast, and C) not pulling his punches.
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« Reply #1371 on: December 14, 2010, 08:39:47 pm »

Are you for real?  ???

I just said he ought to bring a dozen or so, just so he can avoid reloading. I wasn't talking about bolts here, but about loaded crossbows - he can carry them in a bag or something, find his target, line them all up, pick one up, aim, fire, drop it, pick the next one up, aim, fire...

Significantly faster than reloading.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1372 on: December 14, 2010, 08:56:03 pm »

Doesn't ezio have a GUN? why would he use an xbow? then again, when the hell does he have one?
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1373 on: December 14, 2010, 08:59:04 pm »

Are you for real?  ???

I just said he ought to bring a dozen or so, just so he can avoid reloading. I wasn't talking about bolts here, but about loaded crossbows - he can carry them in a bag or something, find his target, line them all up, pick one up, aim, fire, drop it, pick the next one up, aim, fire...

Significantly faster than reloading.

Do you even know how big and cumbersome carrying a dozen crossbows would be? Armstrong would hear the guy 100 feet away just from the rustling of the bag.

@ragnarok: He gets a crossbow in Brotherhood; it does the same damage as his gun but it's quieter and has more ammo.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1374 on: December 14, 2010, 10:41:41 pm »

You could rig a single-fire crossbow and have a separate device for loading it, potentially building something much less cumbersome than a normal crossbow, but less accurate also, but the question is if Armstrong can react in time to stop one, a dozen more bows wouldn't help if Armstrong can just build a wall to block them. Now a wall isn't such a good idea if you want to know where your enemy is, which is where reactions come into it. Armstrong doesn't need to catch a bolt mid-flight, but he does need to be able to use his cover quickly enough to avoid them...
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1375 on: December 15, 2010, 01:36:48 am »

Can Armstrong block a well-timed crossbow bolt?

Can Ezio dodge a flying statue?

Can Ezio sneak in a lethal knife blow before Armstrong's superior power overwhelms him?
Armstrong has shown himself able to alchemize fast enough to bat high-velocity spikes from another alchemist out of the air, but said alchemist was about four meters away and clearly visible. I am not certain if he could block a sneak attack the same way, but I am confident is sating that nothing less than a head shot will be instantly lethal.

If he sees in coming more than six or seven meters away, yes.

If he can get in close, he may be able to get in a few deep jabs. I'm not certain.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1376 on: December 17, 2010, 12:01:40 pm »

Can Armstrong survive a bullet to the head? If yes then can he survive a hidden blade to the head? If that is also yes then can he survive one of the explosive cannonball shots from a flying machine 2.0? If the answer to that is also yes then what can actually damage him besides lasers?

@CJ1145: I think you are underestimating Ezio, he's at superhuman levels of agility and he can parry any of the enemies weapons in the AC series excepting the gun and bow and arrow (which can both be dodged). He could easily dodge a flying statue as he has been shown to dodge falling rubble and boulders when he's off guard.

I concede that in a fair fight Armstrong would win due to his extreme strength and the ability to manipulate reality to a certain extent. However, Ezio almost never fights fair; he always gets the surprise attack and has been known to resort to throwing dirt in his opponents eyes.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1377 on: December 17, 2010, 02:34:36 pm »

Can Armstrong survive a bullet to the head? If yes then can he survive a hidden blade to the head? If that is also yes then can he survive one of the explosive cannonball shots from a flying machine 2.0? If the answer to that is also yes then what can actually damage him besides lasers?
Definately not a bullet, not sure about the cannon, but he could probably survive the hidden blade, unless it went right in his eye, or something.
Armstrong's resilience is mostly from his large size and huge muscles, so he's not that much harder to kill than a normal person.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1378 on: December 17, 2010, 03:27:50 pm »

Can Armstrong survive a bullet to the head? If yes then can he survive a hidden blade to the head? If that is also yes then can he survive one of the explosive cannonball shots from a flying machine 2.0? If the answer to that is also yes then what can actually damage him besides lasers?

@CJ1145: I think you are underestimating Ezio, he's at superhuman levels of agility and he can parry any of the enemies weapons in the AC series excepting the gun and bow and arrow (which can both be dodged). He could easily dodge a flying statue as he has been shown to dodge falling rubble and boulders when he's off guard.

I concede that in a fair fight Armstrong would win due to his extreme strength and the ability to manipulate reality to a certain extent. However, Ezio almost never fights fair; he always gets the surprise attack and has been known to resort to throwing dirt in his opponents eyes.

Ezio is very skilled, and against anyone else I might root for him. But against Armstrong I say he'd lose. This is the man that had his shoulder knocked out of place, and got it back in by LETTING HIS ENEMY PUNCH IT until it went back in.his endurance is ludicrous, he's been shown to take insane blunt trauma so it's reasonable to thing that he'd take at least glancing blows well. Armstrong is far faster in close combat thab Ezio is used to, and he has experience against enemies that can kill in one blow. And his reaction time is fantstic, if Ezio can dodge rubble off guard, I assume Armstrong could dodge a long-distance bolt when on guard for an attack.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two
« Reply #1379 on: December 17, 2010, 03:31:20 pm »

Frankly, having looked that shit up, I'm all for Ezio by now. That Armstrong guy ways wrought up by some japanese dude, and the japanese artists aren't exactly smart when it comes to combat and realism.
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