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[Vector]

I could unvote, or you could change your vote.  I think Jokerman is town.

You're buddying.

And you're being ridiculous.  Town reads are perfectly valid.

[Lonewolf I]

I could unvote, or you could change your vote.  I think Jokerman is town.

You're buddying.

And you're being ridiculous.  Town reads are perfectly valid.

Valid, yes.  Relevant to discussion prior to MyLo? No.

[Jokerman-EXE]

...you mean exactly like JanusTwoFace did with Lonewolf's assist? That's a little sketchy.

Janus was copying Otto and Leafsnail, not me.  I already asked him and Otto, both of whom were the copiers, about it.  He responded acceptably.  Otto has yet to respond at all.

Derp. I meant Leafsnail, my bad.

[Vector]

Valid, yes.  Relevant to discussion prior to MyLo? No.

I disagree.  Explanation, please?  If you've uncovered some new piece of Mafia logic, I'm curious as to its foundations.

[Lonewolf I]

Valid, yes.  Relevant to discussion prior to MyLo? No.

I disagree.  Explanation, please?  If you've uncovered some new piece of Mafia logic, I'm curious as to its foundations.

Eh?  I've been jumped for buddying every other time I've mentioned that I think someone is town.  I thought it was accepted strategy.  Why should you be exempt?

...you mean exactly like JanusTwoFace did with Lonewolf's assist? That's a little sketchy.

Janus was copying Otto and Leafsnail, not me.  I already asked him and Otto, both of whom were the copiers, about it.  He responded acceptably.  Otto has yet to respond at all.

Derp. I meant Leafsnail, my bad.

You still haven't answered my question.

[Vector]

Eh?  I've been jumped for buddying every other time I've mentioned that I think someone is town.  I thought it was accepted strategy.  Why should you be exempt?

I happen to think that everyone is exempt (except for a few situational things blah blah blah).  I also find it interesting that you said "except at MyLo," which implies that there would be some logical structure behind your statements--rather than just "people jump on me when I do it, so I stopped."

[Jokerman-EXE]

You still haven't answered my question.

What question? The one about why did I assist the way I did? Because I felt like it. Why did I copy the coloring of the previous assist? Because it was correct and it was neat, and I happen to be slightly OCD in that regard.

Any other inane questions designed to give you a reason to leave your vote on someone, Lonewolf? Because I still fail to see why this makes me scummy and not anyone else.

[Lonewolf I]

Eh?  I've been jumped for buddying every other time I've mentioned that I think someone is town.  I thought it was accepted strategy.  Why should you be exempt?

I happen to think that everyone is exempt (except for a few situational things blah blah blah).  I also find it interesting that you said "except at MyLo," which implies that there would be some logical structure behind your statements--rather than just "people jump on me when I do it, so I stopped."

I do too, which is why I just mentioned it, instead of turning it into an attack.  I said "Except at MyLo" because MyLo and LyLo are the first times in a typical game when it becomes important to find proof that people are town.

You still haven't answered my question.

What question? The one about why did I assist the way I did? Because I felt like it. Why did I copy the coloring of the previous assist? Because it was correct and it was neat, and I happen to be slightly OCD in that regard.

Any other inane questions designed to give you a reason to leave your vote on someone, Lonewolf? Because I still fail to see why this makes me scummy and not anyone else.

Otto is in the ring right now because he didn't explain it, so it doesn't make only you scummy.  My experience is that "Because I felt like it" is never the truth, and merely an excuse for poorly reasoned or maliciously reasoned actions.  Not good enough.

[Jokerman-EXE]

Eh?  I've been jumped for buddying every other time I've mentioned that I think someone is town.  I thought it was accepted strategy.  Why should you be exempt?

I happen to think that everyone is exempt (except for a few situational things blah blah blah).  I also find it interesting that you said "except at MyLo," which implies that there would be some logical structure behind your statements--rather than just "people jump on me when I do it, so I stopped."

I do too, which is why I just mentioned it, instead of turning it into an attack.  I said "Except at MyLo" because MyLo and LyLo are the first times in a typical game when it becomes important to find proof that people are town.

You still haven't answered my question.

What question? The one about why did I assist the way I did? Because I felt like it. Why did I copy the coloring of the previous assist? Because it was correct and it was neat, and I happen to be slightly OCD in that regard.

Any other inane questions designed to give you a reason to leave your vote on someone, Lonewolf? Because I still fail to see why this makes me scummy and not anyone else.

Otto is in the ring right now because he didn't explain it, so it doesn't make only you scummy.  My experience is that "Because I felt like it" is never the truth, and merely an excuse for poorly reasoned or maliciously reasoned actions.  Not good enough.

Your first point is bullshit. It's only important to try and confirm town in MyLo/LyLo? The way I play, I try from the very start so that I can focus more on hunting scum. Do you have a reason it should be otherwise?

As to your second point? It's a fucking assist. You can choose any assist you want just for shits and fucking giggles. I wanted to do Heal. Water is the element if you want that. Oh my goodness, someone else did it! Oh wait, that just fucking means it's more effective when I do it because I was going to do it anyway!

So you're voting myself and Ottofar for having the same assists as someone? Sure, Otto's in the ring; but this seems like a pretty goddam bullshit reason to be wasting both of your votes. I'm really detecting a problem here.

[JanusTwoface]

AFAIK, it's performing the same assist with the same formatting/font/whatever directly after someone else.

...you mean exactly like JanusTwoFace did with Lonewolf's assist? That's a little sketchy.

Janus was copying Otto and Leafsnail, not me.  I already asked him and Otto, both of whom were the copiers, about it.  He responded acceptably.  Otto has yet to respond at all.

Derp. I meant Leafsnail, my bad.

Bwaaa?

Leafsnail's assist:

Assist Solifuge's defence with earth.

My assist:

Assist Solifuge's Defense with Earth

Same assist: Yes (But I explained this).
Same formatting/font/whatever: Not even close.
Directly after someone else: Two days different.

So you not only didn't get the right person, but you were almost completely wrong even then.  FoS Jokerman-EXE

You on the other hand had the same assist (which is fine) but you had the same formatting and posted it the immediate next post.  I believe that's the point I brought up earlier and that Vector is working at now.


Now to the point at hand: Ottofar and Leafsnail.  I would be perfectly happy if you both died right now.  Would either of you care to show up and convince me taht I should assist you?  Or show up at all for that matter?

[Jokerman-EXE]

Are you people FUCKING SERIOUS[/b]. I'm suspicious for having the same format - the correct format - as someone else?

This is goddam bullshit. Janus, your assist was the same. Oh gosh, the colors were different - WHO FUCKING CARES. Unless you are willing to say, point-blank, that this vote is about me having the same colors in my assist as someone else, then this entire argument is bullshit. You explained why you assisted the way you did; so did I. So why does that make me suspicious and you not?

This is all talk for tomorrow, though. I'd prefer if we can get some people out and assisting - but Janus is right about one thing. If Leafsnail and Ottofar don't start showing up and explaining why we should help them, I don't see the point in assisting either.

[Lonewolf I]

Your first point is bullshit. It's only important to try and confirm town in MyLo/LyLo? The way I play, I try from the very start so that I can focus more on hunting scum. Do you have a reason it should be otherwise?

As to your second point? It's a fucking assist. You can choose any assist you want just for shits and fucking giggles. I wanted to do Heal. Water is the element if you want that. Oh my goodness, someone else did it! Oh wait, that just fucking means it's more effective when I do it because I was going to do it anyway!

So you're voting myself and Ottofar for having the same assists as someone? Sure, Otto's in the ring; but this seems like a pretty goddam bullshit reason to be wasting both of your votes. I'm really detecting a problem here.

First point was directed to Vector, but ok.  It's important to confirm town to oneself as early as possible.  Discussing these proofs openly prior to their becoming necessary only gives scum a better idea of how they're doing.

Because it's more effective, it's also a greater display of support, both for the person you're copying and the person you're assisting.  Ergo, buddying.  "Because I felt like it" is not a better explanation than buddying.  Try harder.

Otto's in the ring because he's not trying at all.

[JanusTwoface]

Are you people FUCKING SERIOUS[/b]. I'm suspicious for having the same format - the correct format - as someone else?

This is goddam bullshit. Janus, your assist was the same. Oh gosh, the colors were different - WHO FUCKING CARES. Unless you are willing to say, point-blank, that this vote is about me having the same colors in my assist as someone else, then this entire argument is bullshit. You explained why you assisted the way you did; so did I. So why does that make me suspicious and you not?

This is all talk for tomorrow, though. I'd prefer if we can get some people out and assisting - but Janus is right about one thing. If Leafsnail and Ottofar don't start showing up and explaining why we should help them, I don't see the point in assisting either.

No.  Your votes were not in the correct format:

Assists should be in green.

Also, I didn't vote you.  I voted for Ottofar and Leafsnail.  I FoSed you for being completely wrong about my vote.  Add to it being completely wrong about assist format.  Granted, it was easy enough to miss, but you went out of your way to say that you were correct.

The only way you would (IMO) think that it was the correct format was if you had seen someone else do it.  Which would be the assist you claim not to have copied directly.

Heck, you weren't even in the top four of my list of suspicious people.  Just how angry you're getting over this is making me more suspicious though.  That's for tomorrow in any case.

So far as assists, I'm going to wait until Leafsnail and/or Ottofar make their cases.

[Vector]

It's important to confirm town to oneself as early as possible.  Discussing these proofs openly prior to their becoming necessary only gives scum a better idea of how they're doing.

That's a good point.  I should probably get a text document going.

[Jokerman-EXE]

No.  Your votes were not in the correct format:

Assists should be in green.

I honestly did not see that. When I read the rules at the beginning of the game, it said to put all assists in red. That's my bad.

*sigh* I'm not trying to get angry here, but it seriously feels like you two are FoSing me just because I copied someone else's assist. Knowing now that it was in the incorrect format, I see why that would seem pretty suspicious to you. But when I made the assist - Hell, up til like five minutes ago - I thought that it was just the way to do it. But I just fail to see how using the same assist as someone is a scumtell.