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Author Topic: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 7 - Game over! All Hail Criptfeind!  (Read 52302 times)

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Re: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 2 Vote Phase
« Reply #300 on: September 15, 2010, 10:35:22 pm »

Confused and needing to reread like whoa.
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Re: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 2 Vote Phase
« Reply #301 on: September 15, 2010, 11:19:17 pm »

In addition to anything else that comes up in your readthrough, could you answer this: what di you think your assist would have been (not knowing Orgs alignment)?
I'd have assisted Org. Neither of them seemed useful, but Org was at least helpful as Org goes, and Solifuge seemed arrogantly adamant that he was helpful, when he wasn't really contributing much.

Spoiler: Scum Solifuge (click to show/hide)

I really don't like this, and I'm thinking Solifuge needs to get back in that ring. He's trying to clear Vector based on the notion that everyone was ganging up on him, and scum wouldn't go against that so she must be Tower. Several problems apply.

For starters, they had a perfectly even number of assists, so I don't see where he's getting the idea that he's the less popular combatant to begin with. The notion that she "went out on a limb" to assist him, when she was the very first assist, strikes me as some melodramatic attempt at making himself out to be some persecuted hero.

Secondly, the idea that she took or risked a "reputation hit" to aid him seems ludicrous- she looked like she was buddying for her comments and the lightning speed with which she assisted, not the simple fact that she did so. Ottofar aided Solifuge too, he's not accused of buddying or suddenly confirmed Tower.


Vector, for her part, declared Solifuge to be scum, saying she "felt it in her bones."

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General question for all (answer at your leisure):
- There are benefits and costs to each affinity. What is the most powerful Elemental Affinity, in your mind?

From a strategic perspective I'm digging Fire, as one basic Fire Attack Assist would boost your Attack by +4 (a specialist would grant +6). Weighing Attack Power versus Speed, it doesn't matter how many attacks you can get in, if you can't overcome your opponent's Defenses. A higher Attack means better odds of punching through shields, and a more reliable damage output overall. The cost in the most powerful Healing Assists is a small one, since Healing seems to play a bit role in combat.


I feel a difference in my bones.  Though in general I'm not a gut-player, this time I feel something.  There is a difference.  Not one that I can establish via some large body of evidence, but I sense that something new is there.

I feel a difference on my right knee. Though in general I'm not a sentimental person, this time I feel something. There is a difference. One that is established via some small body of sleeping kittenishness, and I sense that something friggin' adorable is there.
Unvote.  You now sound like an irritated townie, which clears my suspicions for the nonce.

Soo... Ottofar, what do you think about this game thus far?  Has anyone jumped out at you as particularly scummy?

He presents a "discussion topic" and talks about his kitten and suddenly he's an irritated townie? Those are some waffling bones.

For that matter, presenting a discussion topic (as he calls it later) is not scumhunting, and Vector's been unusual as well.

Spoiler: Unusual Vector (click to show/hide)

She unvotes Criptfeind based on his "good answer," then says he OMGUS'd her and votes him again.


Jim Groovester was also going after both of them, and was silenced. I realize NK WIFOM is a dangerous thing to read into, but Solifuge doesn't look like the subtle type and Vector is known for vengeance.


More relevantly, both voted each other and then backed off without much cause. This was largely during RVS, but it still looks to me like they were trying to tag each other to avoid suspicion.
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Re: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 2 Vote Phase
« Reply #302 on: September 16, 2010, 11:51:17 am »

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IronyOwl: Lonewolf I
Jokerman-EXE: Criptfeind, Vector
Leafsnail: JanusTwoface, Solifuge
Lonewolf I: Toaster
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, Lonewolf I, Solifuge
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Vector: IronyOwl



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Re: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 2 Vote Phase
« Reply #303 on: September 16, 2010, 06:08:05 pm »

Confused and needing to reread like whoa.

^ this, good golly.

With the day ending in just under an hour, and no one posting or talking or anything, the only problem I can easily pinpoint is Ottofar, for the obvious reason of Jim's death. Other than that, I really can't get a good read because not many people have been posting and I don't want to just slap a vote down.

Like IronyOwl said, the WIFOM there is dangerous territory, but in reading his post I feel that he also missed the fact that Jim was after Ottofar for D2, and by only mentioning Vector/Solifuge etc. he was allowing Ottofar to slip by, which didn't seem like the right thing. IronyOwl, did you simply miss that, or is there another explanation?
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Re: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 2 Vote Phase
« Reply #304 on: September 16, 2010, 06:40:12 pm »

Ottofar and Leafsnail.  I don't have time to do a full reread, but Ottofar is hanging back like he does as scum (to the point where I actually can't remember any of his posts in this game) and something feels off about Leafsnail.  I'll have to look at things more closely during the assist round.
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« Reply #305 on: September 16, 2010, 06:51:58 pm »

Why can't you keep your RV question going and pursue the new lead?  Use FoS, bold, underline, whatever- you can still grill someone without voting them.  Dropping attacks without even acknowledging that is scummy, pure and simple.
Why do you keep going on about me dropping my RVS question?  I don't care about my own RVS questions.  I ask them out of respect for tradition, and because it helps get conversation flowing.  Once people start talking and tells start dropping, I move to whomever I find most suspicious.  I'm not dropping an attack because there never was one in the first place.

Did you get that information you wanted?
His loss makes this moot, but no, I didn't.

Your attack wasn't lazy- your lack of attack was.  You're giving off a strong aura that you can't be bothered to scumhunt, and are only paying lipservice to it so you're not obvscum.  Compounding this, you move to attack people for the same reason- weak participation.  It's a valid attack, but it has no bite when you're guilty of it yourself.
What lack of attack?  I called out JetSquirrel in the very post you quoted.  Yes, the grammar of the attack was passive, which is what I thought you meant by lazy, but that's because Jim had already attacked him for it.  I've already said that I'm reluctant to repeat the attacks of others because I consider it a form of bandwagoning.  The only reason I mentioned it at all is because Jim had asked me why I wasn't attacking Jet at the time, and not mentioning it would've been wierd.

Unvote IronyOwl

IronyOwl - Do you have any idea why JetSquirrel didn't assist?

Ottofar - Get in here and answer my question, dammit.  Why did you copy Leafsnail's assist?

Jokerman-EXE - You copied Jim's assist immediately, which was wierd, and since Jim and Org both flipped town, my best explanation for that is buddying.  Have you a better?
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Re: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 2 Vote Phase
« Reply #306 on: September 16, 2010, 06:53:37 pm »

Ooh, wait.  That makes a tie between Joker and Leaf.  What happens in that event, Meph?
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Re: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 2 Vote Phase
« Reply #307 on: September 16, 2010, 06:54:33 pm »

Or not.  Unvote, next time, Vector.  Makes things less confusing.
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« Reply #308 on: September 16, 2010, 06:56:31 pm »

I could unvote, or you could change your vote.  I think Jokerman is town.
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Re: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 2 Vote Phase
« Reply #309 on: September 16, 2010, 06:57:54 pm »

Jokerman-EXE - You copied Jim's assist immediately, which was wierd, and since Jim and Org both flipped town, my best explanation for that is buddying.  Have you a better?

Okay, before I answer; can I just ask what exactly you're voting me for? Having the same assist as someone? Since when is that a reason for being voted? You are aware that several people did that, right? So what else is it?
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« Reply #310 on: September 16, 2010, 06:59:35 pm »

AFAIK, it's performing the same assist with the same formatting/font/whatever directly after someone else.
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« Reply #311 on: September 16, 2010, 07:03:21 pm »

...you mean exactly like JanusTwoFace did with Lonewolf's assist? That's a little sketchy.
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« Reply #312 on: September 16, 2010, 07:05:39 pm »

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Re: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 2 Vote Phase
« Reply #313 on: September 16, 2010, 07:09:57 pm »

The Glowing Tally Board
Jokerman-EXE: Criptfeind, Lonewolf I
Leafsnail: JanusTwoface, Solifuge, Vector
Lonewolf I: Toaster
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, Jokerman-EXE, Lonewolf I, Solifuge, Vector
Solifuge: IronyOwl
Vector: IronyOwl


Ladies and Gentlemen. I present you with the next two Duelists...Ottofar and Leafsnail!!


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@Lonewolf I: In the event of a tie I would have chosen randomly between the tied wizards.

Duelists, please send me the Element you will use for your attack. Everyone else, please choose your assists and send in any side actions you may have.
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Re: Wizard Duel 4 - Duel 2 Vote Phase
« Reply #314 on: September 16, 2010, 07:12:32 pm »

AFAIK, it's performing the same assist with the same formatting/font/whatever directly after someone else.
This is accurate.

I could unvote, or you could change your vote.  I think Jokerman is town.
You're buddying.

...you mean exactly like JanusTwoFace did with Lonewolf's assist? That's a little sketchy.
Janus was copying Otto and Leafsnail, not me.  I already asked him and Otto, both of whom were the copiers, about it.  He responded acceptably.  Otto has yet to respond at all.
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