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[ZeroGravitas]

how do people feel about moving this to a CK3 thread? almost 1000 pages here, neh?

[scriver]

how do people feel about moving this to a CK3 thread? almost 1000 pages here, neh?

Just 596

[ZeroGravitas]

how do people feel about moving this to a CK3 thread? almost 1000 pages here, neh?

Just 596

default posts per page, not max

[Teneb]

I would prefer a generic CK thread instead of a dedicated CK3 one, to be fair.

[TamerVirus]

A simple change of the thread title and there ya go

Edit: Last Active:June 25, 2017. Well I guess that's not happening...

[Teneb]

A simple change of the thread title and there ya go

Edit: Last Active:June 25, 2017. Well I guess that's not happening...

yeah, that's why there's the discussion in the first place

But while we don't have consensus on this, here's a little something...

Spoiler: A Shaded Empire is Reborn (click to show/hide)

[A Thing]

I'd prefer a general CK thread since people are probably still going to be playing CK2 even after CK3 comes out.

The one thing I have to wonder about the dynasty/house system is if there is a way to break away and make your own dynasty. You lose all the renown and legacies but don't have to deal with your dynast anymore for instance. Seems like getting titles claimed all the time would get annoying if you're not the dynast. Guess it depends on how hard it is to become the dynast.

[Cruxador]

The dynastic prestige system was something that from the very beginning, I wished they would do more with.

I'd prefer a general CK thread since people are probably still going to be playing CK2 even after CK3 comes out.

The one thing I have to wonder about the dynasty/house system is if there is a way to break away and make your own dynasty. You lose all the renown and legacies but don't have to deal with your dynast anymore for instance. Seems like getting titles claimed all the time would get annoying if you're not the dynast. Guess it depends on how hard it is to become the dynast.

I think the player is meant to generally be the dynast, but presumably AI dynast will be weighted not to be a tremendous pain in the ass. It doesn't really sound like you can abandon your blood in that way, though. I sort of considered it the thinking man's win condition. The actual score mechanic was oriented towards a far more direct and domineering play which was comparatively sort of the scrub's option, although pretty much every update to the game supported that, especially the addition of the far more warlike pagans.

[ZeroGravitas]

The dynastic prestige system was something that from the very beginning, I wished they would do more with.

I'd prefer a general CK thread since people are probably still going to be playing CK2 even after CK3 comes out.

The one thing I have to wonder about the dynasty/house system is if there is a way to break away and make your own dynasty. You lose all the renown and legacies but don't have to deal with your dynast anymore for instance. Seems like getting titles claimed all the time would get annoying if you're not the dynast. Guess it depends on how hard it is to become the dynast.

I think the player is meant to generally be the dynast, but presumably AI dynast will be weighted not to be a tremendous pain in the ass.

oh i dont think thats necessarily true. it will often be true, sure, because most playable characters aren't from a big dynasty with tons of branches, and tend to be playable because they're a ruler with no living ancestors, having inherited from their father.

however there are lots of scenarios where the playable character isn't the dynast, because the dynasty holds tons of different titles all over the place - Jimenez in Iberia, Yaroslavs in Kiev, even minor stuff like if you chose to play as Count Robert of Maine (William the Bastard's son). so the player might mostly be the dynast, and once you become the dynast, i'm not sure how/why you'd ever lose it - your primary heir would generally succeed to your titles and head-of-dynasty. i guess it would possible if your primary title had different inheritance rules.

The devblog describe some ways you end up founding your own dynasty, though, so that's always an option too.

[Cruxador]

I think the player is meant to generally be the dynast, but presumably AI dynast will be weighted not to be a tremendous pain in the ass.

oh i dont think thats necessarily true. [...] so the player might mostly be the dynast

Hence "generally". [/quote] once you become the dynast, i'm not sure how/why you'd ever lose it - your primary heir would generally succeed to your titles and head-of-dynasty. i guess it would possible if your primary title had different inheritance rules.

The devblog describe some ways you end up founding your own dynasty, though, so that's always an option too.
[/quote]I think you're mixing up dynasty and house. Houses are subgroups within the dynasty. The house head is likely to stay in one place as you suggest, because it follows normal succession, however the dynast is always the most "powerful" (however that's measured) house head. So it can move around. But my suspicion is that generally, the player will be the most powerful, by virtue of being smarter than the AI, and so will be the dynast. Besides which, the features of the dynast seem more like something designed for players.

[ZeroGravitas]

yeah, that's true. i mean, it's all very interesting. there might be a lot of assumptions we have about how ck2 works that won't hold true in ck3, like how title inheritance works vs how your next playable character is selected. it's pretty unclear.

this game is allegedly coming out next year, right?

[scriver]

Yes, but it's probably good sense to consider it preliminary

[PTTG??]

I've been around for a decade and probably will be for the next, and I wouldn't mind starting a new thread for discussion if people are that concerned about keeping the title updated.

[hector13]

The title has been “CK2 is released” for almost that decade, why the concern now?

Can’t the Toad change the title if we’re really that bothered by it?

[Cruxador]

The title has been “CK2 is released” for almost that decade, why the concern now?

For that decade, CK2 has been released. But now, there's also CK3.