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[Teneb]

Also on attrition: The AI and attrition works a bit... interestingly. Basically, a force that is over the limit (20k in this case), but is composed of the combined armies of different independent rulers who each have less than that limit will not take attrition. This does not apply to the player. If you have 3k and a 18k AI stack walks into the same province, you WILL take attrition.

[Micro102]

Also on attrition: The AI and attrition works a bit... interestingly. Basically, a force that is over the limit (20k in this case), but is composed of the combined armies of different independent rulers who each have less than that limit will not take attrition. This does not apply to the player. If you have 3k and a 18k AI stack walks into the same province, you WILL take attrition.

I thought that bullshit rule was only in EU4

[Andres]

Also on attrition: The AI and attrition works a bit... interestingly. Basically, a force that is over the limit (20k in this case), but is composed of the combined armies of different independent rulers who each have less than that limit will not take attrition. This does not apply to the player. If you have 3k and a 18k AI stack walks into the same province, you WILL take attrition.

I thought that bullshit rule was only in EU4

It's necessary, otherwise stupid AI allies will march their superstacks into places you're besieging, wipe out half of your army through attrition alone, and then leave with your remaining army being too small to siege the holding. That's never happened to me specifically because of that rule and I pray in thanks to the one true God for that rule.

[Persus13]

Also relevant, are you playing as a pagan?

[SaberToothTiger]

Also on attrition: The AI and attrition works a bit... interestingly. Basically, a force that is over the limit (20k in this case), but is composed of the combined armies of different independent rulers who each have less than that limit will not take attrition. This does not apply to the player. If you have 3k and a 18k AI stack walks into the same province, you WILL take attrition.

I thought that bullshit rule was only in EU4

CK II = ~EU4~ these days

[Digital Hellhound]

Err, stupid question. Started playing again after a while, and the interface for nominating a successor in Elective Monarchies seems to have changed. As in, I can't find it. I'm stuck voting for myself when I have no chance or interest in becoming King. Help?

[Micro102]

Also on attrition: The AI and attrition works a bit... interestingly. Basically, a force that is over the limit (20k in this case), but is composed of the combined armies of different independent rulers who each have less than that limit will not take attrition. This does not apply to the player. If you have 3k and a 18k AI stack walks into the same province, you WILL take attrition.

I thought that bullshit rule was only in EU4

It's necessary, otherwise stupid AI allies will march their superstacks into places you're besieging, wipe out half of your army through attrition alone, and then leave with your remaining army being too small to siege the holding. That's never happened to me specifically because of that rule and I pray in thanks to the one true God for that rule.

No, that is exactly what I am talking about. Teneb said that that is currently what is happening.

Also relevant, are you playing as a pagan?

Nope, Byzantium. And I still don't know how my muslim empire neighbor was able to declare holy war on an entire kingdom.

[hector13]

Also on attrition: The AI and attrition works a bit... interestingly. Basically, a force that is over the limit (20k in this case), but is composed of the combined armies of different independent rulers who each have less than that limit will not take attrition. This does not apply to the player. If you have 3k and a 18k AI stack walks into the same province, you WILL take attrition.

I thought that bullshit rule was only in EU4

It's necessary, otherwise stupid AI allies will march their superstacks into places you're besieging, wipe out half of your army through attrition alone, and then leave with your remaining army being too small to siege the holding. That's never happened to me specifically because of that rule and I pray in thanks to the one true God for that rule.

No, that is exactly what I am talking about. Teneb said that that is currently what is happening.

Also relevant, are you playing as a pagan?

Nope, Byzantium. And I still don't know how my muslim empire neighbor was able to declare holy war on an entire kingdom.

That's how Great Holy Wars work, so things like Jihad and Crusades and such.

There would likely have been an announcement of that, along the lines of "Caliph such and such has declared Jihad for [kingdom name], and calls all right-thinking Muslims to join him".

[Teneb]

Err, stupid question. Started playing again after a while, and the interface for nominating a successor in Elective Monarchies seems to have changed. As in, I can't find it. I'm stuck voting for myself when I have no chance or interest in becoming King. Help?

Assuming you are not the top liege, you need to go to the top liege's title's laws. Go to your own law tab and there should be the shield of Kingdom of England there to click on.

[Digital Hellhound]

Err, stupid question. Started playing again after a while, and the interface for nominating a successor in Elective Monarchies seems to have changed. As in, I can't find it. I'm stuck voting for myself when I have no chance or interest in becoming King. Help?

Assuming you are not the top liege, you need to go to the top liege's title's laws. Go to your own law tab and there should be the shield of Kingdom of England there to click on.

Thing is, there's nothing there - I see everyone's votes, including mine, but there's no button to change it. I am eligible to vote (as, you know, I can see my bloody vote right there!), but I can't change the vote. Clicking on the portraits of voted-for characters just takes me to their screens, and there's no button.

The Kingdom changed to Elective recently, but I don't see why that'd affect things.

[Teneb]

Err, stupid question. Started playing again after a while, and the interface for nominating a successor in Elective Monarchies seems to have changed. As in, I can't find it. I'm stuck voting for myself when I have no chance or interest in becoming King. Help?

Assuming you are not the top liege, you need to go to the top liege's title's laws. Go to your own law tab and there should be the shield of Kingdom of England there to click on.

Thing is, there's nothing there - I see everyone's votes, including mine, but there's no button to change it. I am eligible to vote (as, you know, I can see my bloody vote right there!), but I can't change the vote. Clicking on the portraits of voted-for characters just takes me to their screens, and there's no button.

The Kingdom changed to Elective recently, but I don't see why that'd affect things.

Give us a screenshot?

[scriver]

In short. There is a difference between Holy Wars and Crusades/Jihads/Great Holy Wars (the three are basically the same thing for different religions).

Holy Wars can be called by anyone on neighbouring states and they always target Duchies.

Crusades/Jihads/GHWs on the other hand target Kingdoms. They can only be called by the head of the religion in question - for Catholics this is the Pope, naturally, and for Muslims this is the Caliphs (by default, in 1066, the Shia Caliph is also the Fatimid King of Egypt, while the Sunni Caliph is a Duke around... Baghdad, iirc and a vassal of the Seljuk King. I am not 100% certain but I think that in earlier bookmarks the Sunni Caliph is the Abbasid Emperor of Arabia). Pagans only get religious heads and thus GHWs if their religion is reformed. Orthodox Christians do not get any Crusade equivalent and thus can never target kingdoms with religious wars.

Apart from those two, Muslims also get another kind of religious war which target Kingdoms called Muslim Invasions that can be declared by any Muslim ruler for a cost of 1000 Piety.

[Teneb]

I'm a few days late reposting it, but still, dev diary:

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Hello all, it’s DD time again! As you hopefully know, it’s only a little over a week until Reaper’s Due is released (on the 25th), and you’ve seen pretty much all the new features by this point. As such, I don’t have any big reveals this week, so instead I will just tell you about a few assorted small features and share some of the 2.6 patchnotes with you. So, without further ado:

Reaper’s Due
As well as 2.6 making the Indian Reincarnation events work slightly better, RD includes a rare Reincarnation event which anyone can get, provided they have Fantasy Content turned on.

Parents now have some reaction events to their children being born, especially to their first child, and additional events if it is sickly.

When characters become Ill, it is possible they will suffer from a Mild, Normal, Severe, or Incapacitating version of their Illness. In the latter case they will be bedridden and will require a Regent for the duration of their Illness.

2.6
I mentioned we might do this in an earlier DD, but Nomad’s Pillage decision is now on a separate Alert to avoid accidentally Settling.

You can now zoom the camera out even further, allowing the entire map to be seen at once.

As mentioned in a non-DD thread, AI-called Crusades will be much more likely to target areas adjacent to provinces of their religion-group if they have no targets with Crusade weights set.

I thought those were interesting enough to mention, but here’s the entire “Balance” section of the 2.6 patchnotes:

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- Alliances and Call To Arms
    - Restored manual call to arms
    - Call to arms from allies can be declined again
    - Added defines to enable/disable auto call to arms and possibility to decline them
    - Added major opinion penalties to alliance breakers
    - Added temporary alliance-breaker modifier (gives -5 diplomacy)
    - Made alliance-breaker and truce-breaker temporary modifiers duration scriptable
    - AI will consider dissolving alliances with alliance breakers
    - AI is unlikely to accept alliances from alliance-breakers
    - Fixed a bug that prevented vassals from joining wars against tyrants. Expect revocation wars to be more risky! (can be disabled through the define VASSALS_UNITE_AGAINST_TYRANNY)
    - Can no longer call ally to war if ally has NAP with defender
    - Alliance breaks with attacker if you accept call to arms from defender

- Flanders is now properly part of France
- Norse, Pictish, Visigothic, and Saxon cultures no longer split if controlled by a powerful ruler, or if their head of religion is of their culture
- CROWDED_THRESHOLD_MODIFIER lowered to 25
- Head injury in battle now has a chance to cause disfigured rather than incapable if your have Reapers
- many "active" minor titles, such as designated regent, cannot be held by incapable characters
- Alania is now Tribal from the Old Gods start point onwards
- k_hungary no longer requires a Magyar province to form
- Increased the troop count of the Shia uprising to make it succeed slightly more often
- AI holders of k_france will no longer create k_aquitaine unless they are close to forming Francia
- Gave Berber culture 'allow_looting = yes' and 'seafarer = yes'
- Added requirement for lvl 4 hillfort/market city when upgrading Tribal holdings as a non-tribal
- The AI now makes use of Tribal Armies
- AI Nomads can now acquire warhorses
- Increased the Steal Population effect on the Humiliate CB from 10% to 25%
- Increased the impact and deadliness of most Epidemic traits
- Updated the 'Funeral Procession' event with better rewards in the options
- Extort Subjects now available when at war
- Donate to Liege now available when liege is at war
- The 'Groom an Heir' ambition no longer requires you to be married
- Updated final 'Ambitious positive' event to be slightly more interesting
- When declining the papal request to switch to Papal Investiture, the Pope may now excommunicate you
- Rank 2 and 3 education outcomes are now more common
- Become King ambition now only lets chancellors fabricate one kingdom claim
- AI no longer calls all allies into war, but only tries to get more than 1.25 times the opponent's strength
- Changed age to set childhood focus to 6 so you can also choose an educator at the same time
- Pagan nomads no longer suffer from pagan defensive attrition (made it a define called NOMAD_SUFFER_PAGAN_ATTRITION)
- It's now possible to demand religious conversion of landless courtiers even while at war
- Moved the Theology and Hunting focus events to 'on_focus_pulse'
- Seduction Focus: The rebuff opinion modifier no longer lasts forever
- Boosted the opinion effects of giving gifts and of the "Improve Relations" councillor job
- Even with the law that allows revocation and retraction from religious enemies, their religious brethren among your vassals will now still be upset
- You no longer get Pagan homeland attrition if you're allies
- Made Agnatic the normal default gender succession law again, except in Christian realms or when you have equality laws, or the new game rule
- Blocked barons from having Agnatic-Cognatic succession (it's an inheritance mess)
- Rulers of all religions are now allowed to convert to the attacker's religion during holy wars, if their Moral Authority is much lower
- The Family Focus (Way of Life) can now also remove rivalries between close family members
- Exiled characters should no longer join courts of characters in seclusion, or court of the banisher's vassal
- Characters can no longer escape from House Arrest
- Monthly prestige/piety province modifiers are now added to the character
- Most of the minor titles can now be made available for female characters as well, provided the correct laws or game rules are in place
- Frail now has a small health penalty
- When a Tyranny war is lost while the Conclave DLC is enabled, the title revocation law will be revoked
- Intrigue Focus: Spy On: Nerfed the chances of abduction and murder unless you are a Master Schemer
- Added 1 Health to the Theology Focus
- AI Nomads will now Tribalize if they push too far outside the steppe IF they don't hold much territory in the steppe region + not many castles/cities
- When Nomads Tribalise they now culture/religion convert new provinces based on population/manpower
- When a Nomad Tribalizes a custom kingdom will be created if they would end up as duke rank or lower
- Nomads who Tribalize now get a small amount of event troops
- Changed the Eunuch Councilor events so that they are slightly better and show up in the event option so you can click them and check their stats before deciding
- Carousing Focus: You can now invite people to a new party 90 days after the last one (down from 500 days)
- Raised chance of reincarnation events for Indian religion group
- Changed the Jewish Councilor events so that they are slightly better and show up in the event option so you can click them and check their stats
- Lowered the war contribution that all theocracies and holy orders get as attackers in Great Holy Wars
- Powerful vassals will now only be angry that they haven't been given a position on the council if they're eligible for such a position, or they've recently been fired from the council
- Horse Lords: Unlocked the 'Perform Sky Burial' decision for non-Nomadic rulers of the Mazdan religious group
- Tanistry is now available without Late Feudal Administration, both for Feudal and Tribal Celtics
- Fixed firing Advisors applying the "Revoked Honorary Title" opinion modifier on top of the "Fired from Council" opinion modifiers
- Merchant republics can now always move their capital to a city if their current capital is a castle
- Reintroduced the Bankruptcy character modifier, which reduces army morale by 25% when a ruler has negative wealth
- Councilors who have promised council support to someone will now vote their conscience if the person they're supporting is abstaining
- Commanders can now only be relieved via the Relieve Commander interaction and the Minor Titles screen, which unlike the Revoke Honorary Title interaction, do not incur an opinion penalty
- Retreating enemy armies are no longer considered hostile for the purpose of disbanding units
- Adjusted the 'opinion_unfaithful_husband' opinion modifier
- Adjusted the 'acknowledged_bastard' opinion modifier
- Doubled the positive opinion modifiers from granting landed titles to someone
- Vassals are now grateful when you build buildings in their Holdings
- Viceroyalty succession now overrides all succession law opinion modifiers for that title, since succession law has no effect
- If succession law affects both the youngest and oldest child, and someone is both, they now always get the best opinion modifier
- Fixed heirs not getting positive opinion modifiers from succession laws (E.G., oldest_child_opinion in primogeniture)
- Visigothic culture will no longer split when in a powerful Visigoth realm
- Ladies can now gain the viking trait(s)
- Switching religious branch as an Indian religion will now also switch that of your close kin (if non-zealous)
- The Magyars have a significantly larger army in the 867 invasion of Hungary, they will now win more often than not
- Hungarians led by the Árpád dynasty will always want to settle in Hungary if they have the chance
- When the historical Magyars settle in Hungary, more provinces will convert to Hungarian
- Dynamic mercenaries are no longer prevented from marrying
- Even Malcontent voters will now vote for additional council power laws, as it means they'll have more to say 'no' about
- Prisoners from major revolts can now be executed and released
- Significantly increased the chance of vassals joining Grand Tournaments/Furusiyyas
- Reduced the number of unnecessary courtiers generated; should somewhat improve performance
- Redid the Varangian Guard events from MTTH events to yearly pulse events
- Added AI weights to event HL.10531, where a mercenary leader would accept or decline an invitation to a feast, to make it less random
- Moved event SoA.5219 to yearly pulse from MTTH
- Increased the prestige gain from 'Groomed to Perfection'
- Moved the SoA 'wicked priest' events to the bi-yearly pulse from MTTH
- Retreating from battles and sieges now starts the day after you right-click, so that you can cancel it on the same day if you misclick
- Tribals who are Tengri/Altaic will now raise more Light Cavalry and less Heavy Infantry in their summoned Tribal Armies
- William now starts with slightly more Heavy Infantry in "The Stamford Bridge" bookmark, to give him a higher chance of gaining England
- Rulers can now change crown laws every 50 years, rather than once per lifetime (cooldown still removed on death)
- Opinion of predecessor is now also inherited in elective government types if the successor is a close relative of, or in the same dynasty as, the old ruler
- Crusades on titles without a crusade weight are now less likely if said title is not adjacent to territory of the crusader's religion
- Now possible to ask one's liege to press one's claim even if the liege council isn't allowed to vote on war declaration
- Courtiers who have minor titles, friends, lovers, consorts or rivals are now excluded from the court pruning system
- Immortal characters are now immune to pruning
- If subjugation wars are invalidated, the 'once per lifetime' subjugation is now refunded
- If a Muslim Invasion is invalidated, the piety will be refunded

Horse Lords:
- When conquering Nomad land (empty provinces) as a non-Nomadic character, the following will happen:
    - A basic Tribal holding will be constructed
    - The Nomad culture and religion will be preserved in the province
    - A 'Nomad Agitation' province modifier will be added, slightly increasing provincial revolt risk
- On succession, if a character holds provinces with Nomad Agitation they will automatically secede from the realm unless one of the following is true:
    - A Castle or City holding has been constructed in the province
    - (Only if Tribal) At least 2 buildings have been constructed in the province's Tribal Holding
- Provinces that secede because of Nomad Agitation will spawn a new Nomad ruler as per the culture/s of the released province/s
- If a newly seceded Nomad Ruler borders a Nomad of the same culture, they will join them as a Clan Chief
- If a Nomad conquers a province with Nomad Agitation, the modifier will be removed

- Raiding Adventurers can now properly invade & claim land from Nomads
    - If they are the same culture as the target, they will become a Nomadic Clan Chief
    - If they aren't the same culture they will become a Tribal Vassal

- Now when you choose to 'Settle as Tribal' as a Nomadic realm your Clan Chiefs will settle along with you

- The 'Pillage Holding' decision has been remade, it will now pillage the selected holding progressively (once every 6 months) until it's destroyed
    - When a holding is destroyed from pillaging you get an event containing some flavor
    - You can now pillage several holdings in the same province at once
    - You can at any time choose to 'Stop Pillaging' a holding by using a targeted decision
    - The Revolt Risk associated with pillaging is now capped at 30%
    - Claiming a pillaged province as a non-nomad now clears the revolt risk (other penalties still apply)
    - The revolts that spawn from pillaged provinces are now significant (no more 60-man whack-a-mole uprisings)
    - You can no longer choose to pillage enemy holdings manually, instead it's triggered by event (gain gold or prestige)

- When choosing to settle as a Nomad the provinces that flip to your culture will now try to border each other
- The AI logic for when Nomads want to settle has been changed slightly, certain Nomad personalities will take longer to settle
- If a settling Nomad has only one vassal of king-tier, they will now usurp that character's kingdom rather than create a custom empire

- The Silk Road has received the following changes:
    - The Silk Road has been extended by adding a new branch from Lut - passing through Rayy and Tabriz - to Trebizond
    - The southern part of the Silk Road has been updated to also pass through Dhofar, Socotra, Busaso and Taizz on the way to Alexandria
    - Increased the base wealth of the Silk Road to 122 from 100, to account for added provinces
That's all for now, but if you haven't already seen them, be sure to check out the various preview videos which are starting to appear on Youtube. Next week I will post the rest of the changes as well as showing the new Steam Achievements.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Here's a question.  Why is it that when the AI loses a battle on an island, their forces are sent back to the garrison of their homeland, but when you lose a battle on the island you control, every single force you had is completely obliterated?  Wouldn't it make more sense to be the opposite?

[Micro102]

So I tried my hand at tribal, Lithuania specifically, and am doing pretty well. Then suddenly a guy declares war on me and I'm like "ok, this is what the 500 prestige I saved up is for, SUMMON THE HORDE!". But then he calls in a feudal king ally who has an army of 2k heavy infantry and it's just instant defeat. I found it a bit bullshit that tribal wars swing heavily based on outside alliances so I try and create my own bullshit and find there is a huge negative penalty for forming marriages with pagans for othodox. So here I am wondering how the AI got around this because sucking up to a king did not seem to be enough to get him to agree to a marriage.


Also, what are those big green bars in battles for? Hovering over them shows morale but the values never match what the bar looks like. My bars could be mostly red and the enemy's could be mostly green, but it will say my morale is at 3000/70% and his is at 2000/12%.