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[Chosrau]

Map projection is atrocious. India is way too small and the Arabian peninsula is way too big.

Sure about that? They seem about the same size to me, with India a bit bigger, in the CK2 map, and thats quite close to reality.

[Teneb]

Yeah, I think India and Arabia are close to their real proportions, the areas where stuff is really bad is Mongolia, the Tarim Basin, some of Tibet and Iceland. All of which are on the top and edges of the map.

[ZeroGravitas]

Man getting back into CK2 is harder than I thought. The game runs like arse and the map projection looks all fucked up and gross. The UI seems clumsier than I remember, why is it so tedious to arrange a marriage and find kinsmen?

Also has claim fabrication been severely nerfed? I must have been sitting there for 4 generations trying to get a claim on a neighbouring county.

Fabrication has been slowed down.

Map projection is atrocious. India is way too small and the Arabian peninsula is way too big.

I wish Paradox would just switch to globes already.

Not in the current engine they won't. That said, India and Arabia are nothing compared to Mongolia, that is far too much to the west. Paradox itself admitted that. It's likely that the projection will be fixed when they eventually expand further east.

Of course not in the current engine. Clausewitz 2 is years-old garbage anyway, and is stretched to its limit but the number of characters and events in CK2. Hell, they had to improve it just to have 2 oceans in the game.

[Grim Portent]

Bah, lost a super health statted Viking to a battle shortly after making the Empire of Scandinavia and reforming German Paganism. I should've gotten another 100 years out of him at least. 

The Empire split between three of his sons, the fourth choosing to stay under the new Emperor. A little politicking got the others back in the fold, shortly after which the new emperor died in battle.

Sadly the only other Germanic nation at this point (early 800s) is the Saxons, who've been getting kicked in by the Slavic Pagans and the Catholics, and refuse to vassalize under me and form a super nation to start wiping out all the Catholics and non-Germanic Pagans. Stupid gits.

Not sure what to start using Great Holy Wars on first. Nomming big chunks of Catholic nations seems sensible as it would reduce the threat posed by Crusades, but pagans are a nice easy target to gather more territory for the big throwdown with the Abrahamic faiths. 

[umiman]

I think they must have done something to the probability of dying in combat as it's been happening a lot to me as well. It's the number 1 source of death for my characters these days.

Hell, I constantly lose super generals to it too. Nonstop.

Not that I'm really complaining though. I like that I actually have to give a shit about who I'm sending to battle now.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

s'all 'bout dat combat skill.

[Teneb]

Not just for the player either. I see AI dying from that all the time as well. I posted earlier about seeing charlemagne (karl karling) somehow being slain in battle by... charlemagne.

[umiman]

Not just for the player either. I see AI dying from that all the time as well. I posted earlier about seeing charlemagne (karl karling) somehow being slain in battle by... charlemagne.

Hehe, the closest I've come to that was me killing my own husband.

I married a Commanche prince with 22 martial. We then joined the New Pope™'s holy crusade against Dakota. We fought battle after battle side by side as husband and wife until we won and claimed the new kingdom for ourselves. But then the king of Commancheria died and my husband was called back to rule. However, our daughter's husband launched his own claim on Commancheria and called me into war against my husband.

I brought 8000 men to fight my husband and slew him in combat.

I don't think my character minded though. She was a lunatic due to the necronomicon and ended up remarrying a 16-year old boytoy despite being nearly 60.

[Persus13]

I've never had much in terms of problems with leaders dying recently, but a long time ago, I would get leaders maimed and then killed in combat all the time. I might have just gotten lucky recently though.

[Majestic7]

I think the chances of leaders dying were nerfed in a patch a few versions back, it used to be an epidemic. I think the chances of capture should be higher than death though, considering how capturing and cashing a nobleman was THE way to make money as an ordinary soldier, it was what they all were aiming for.

[BFEL]

Not just for the player either. I see AI dying from that all the time as well. I posted earlier about seeing charlemagne (karl karling) somehow being slain in battle by... charlemagne.

*Charlemagne charges the enemy, then trips and falls on his own sword*

[Loud Whispers]

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It's the 1800s and it's all over. After the Scandinavian Empire fought the Ming Empire one century ago, there has never been a single war between Miroslavs since. With the fall of the Incans, their Emperor fleeing to Siberia and Oceania, only the Aztec Empire and the Cherokee Theocracy remained to resist.

Their days are numbered; they are brave, vicious soldiers, but their time is at an end - the sunset invasion has at long last been defeated.

The New Miroslav Order is terrifying to behold. Between the great thinkers of Western Europe and the vast efforts to spread technological wonders through the world by the Serbian, Roman and Scandinavian Empires, the world has advanced decades ahead of time. Infrastructure is so developed that the entire pan Afro-Eurasian world continent is both connected and protected, with roads connecting the farthest corner of south Africa to Malacca, and the Suez Canal irreversibly connecting the Oceans of the world.
Fortresses blanket Europe, but nowhere are the Fortresses as formidable than within the Serbian Empire, the Serb lands and Asian borders sporting Fortresses far ahead of their time, utterly impregnable to enemy assaults. The balance of power is so complete that no Miroslav nation cannot compete, and the world so connected that conflict over wealth is no longer necessary.

The agents of Rome, Scandinavia, Serbia and China are all caught in a cold war with one another, but this conflict is a grim facade hiding the true secret war happening. Throughout the world, from the workings of the Floridian Spanish Inquisitors to the secret police of the Miroslav Shogun of Japan; all root out dissidents, traitors and revolutionaries with ruthless efficiency. In the age of Revolutions not a single one succeeded, all destroyed completely by Home Guards, Serbian police operations and the Alexandrian Guard or the Orient Army. There isn't even a need for these police or inquisitors outside of the Scandinavian lands or American lands, most of the world is completely devoted, loyal or even better - Miroslav themselves.

Under the Czarinas, Kaisers, Roman Emperors, Iberian-Iranian Khans and Emperors of Britannia, Francia, Catalonian America, the Shoguns of Japan or Titanic Bureaucracy of the Ming Miroslavs, the world has upheld only one truth: Where Miroslavs go, wealth, victory, peace and freedom follows.
Rome was the capital of the world's religions, Jerusalem the capital of her politics, Alexandria her money, Belgrad her Palace, Antioch her Fortress and Cairo her culture, and at the heart in every Empire from Paris to Constantinople stood a Miroslav, built upon pillars of Miroslavs.

To live in this world is to be one man amongst the several million who fight for Miroslavs, trade for Miroslavs, learn for Miroslavs and live for Miroslavs, until they become Miroslavs. The only ones left to resist are the Incans in their pacific islands, isolated from the rest of the world. No one wants to resist anymore. The ascetic religion of Fraticelli Christianity is staunch and moral, unrelentingly attractive in its virtues - and rooted in Miroslavdom. The last Catholics were exterminated by the Scandinavians. The Shinto religion is intertwined with the Shogun Miroslav, but not nearly as much as with the Confucian Miroslavs, steadily eroding away the last Buddhists preaching impermanence in a world of the eternal Dynasty. It must have been to some great pain to the old American Emperors when their own people turned against them, having embraced Fraticelli over Incan or Aztec faiths - overthrowing the faiths of cocoa and tobacco.

To just think that all of this can be traced back to the moment High Chief Vojislav Miroslav married High Chieftess Dobrava Turov in 769 A.D.

I think I'm done with this timeline. It has certainly been my weirdest and most fun game of CK2, right up there with the Miroslav invasion of Westeros or the Merchant Republic of London. If I had to pick and choose the highlights which exemplify this playthrough:

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• The shadow war between the Karling, Lombards, Isauros and Miroslav families over the Kingdoms of Europe - fighting amongst themselves even as the Aquitaine lands and Anatolian lands were bloodied by devastating Muslim invasions.
• The Rise of the Shia Barrani Caliphate. Definitely my all time favourite CK2 moment, even above the times where I caused the apocalypse. The Serbian Kingdom was balancing on the edge of death, using every dirty trick it had to stave off destruction by Lombards or the Roman Empire. Crusades had been utterly derailed just because the Serbs had managed to pull the Isauros Queen and Emperor into a decades long war with the Teutonic Knights of Tyrnovo, but it was still not enough. Then the Barrani Caliphate arose within the Abbasid blob, right in the heart of Jerusalem. To my surprise it then took over Anatolia and Armenia. The Serbs then doubled up on their efforts to wound the Byzantine Empire and waste their coffers and soldiers away to allow the Barrani to make even more gains, to the point where they were laying siege to Constantinople herself. This Caliphate allowed the Zoroastrians to rise again in the East, crippled the Abbasid and Byzantine and lay the foundations for an eventual Serbian rise to power.
• Later on this Caliphate would call a great Jihad on the ascendent Miroslav Roman Empire, only to be bloodied greatly in the mountains. In this time the Serbian forces snuck a massive army into Jerusalem, just in time to end the war and join the Pope's crusade. As the Serbian soldiers were already within Jerusalem's walls, it was over before it began. From Jerusalem Emperor Slavko the Bold's son Emperor Slavko the Wise would begin making incursions into the Abbasid and Zoroastrian blobs - only to realize that they were mortally weakened Empires. This spurred the Serbian advance into India (which otherwise would have been impossible) and accidentally created the world dynasty.
• There was also that moment where the Isauros family imploded several times upon itself. For example, during that one time where the Byzantine Emperor cheated on his wife with his son's wife, which had hilarious consequences. Most importantly however, was when the Greek Kings and Queens became more powerful than the Byzantine Emperor (due to the Byzantine lands in the east having been taken over by the Barrani family). This was the moment where there was this epic struggle between the Queen Isauros, who was the daughter of one of the Empress's relatives - who she had blinded and murdered, and would result in the Byzantine Empire falling into absolute disarray, discord, civil war and the disastrous siege of Tyrnovo in an apocalyptic catfight that demolished the Isauros powerbase.
• The formation of the Scandinavian Empire. This one is especially weird, it was originally a Serbian Empire forged by Serbian conquests into pagan lands. Then the Serbs gave it independence. Then the Serbs reacquired it through inheritance and bound it to the ailing Roman Empire to give the Roman Empire the troops it needed to retake the Eastern lands and halt its decline. Then the Carpathian Empire regained its independence and was reconquered during the great Serbian world conquest, where it was united with the Avar Barbarian Miroslavs. These Avar Miroslavs eventually took over the Empire from the Serb ones and conquered eastwards, making the Empire distinctively more like a steppe horde mixed with the Russian Empire. It then did just that, turning into the Russian Empire. Then it was reconquered by Serbia and expanded even further, taking over the Scandinavian peninsula before being given independence yet again. By this point it was a Tartarian/Carpathian/Russian Empire, but the Avar Miroslavs would lose power when the Empress Avar Miroslav married a West African nobleman fleeing the conquering of West Africa by the Serbian Miroslavs, setting up the Empire for a massive civil war as their child would be of an enemy dynasty. This civil war had several claimants, of Serb, Avar, Danish, Swedish and true Norse descent, and resulted in several provinces regaining independence. The Serbian Empire backed the most capable leader - the norse Miroslav and sent the Swiss mercenary companies to aid in the war. The Norse Miroslav would then reform it as its final form, the Scandinavian Empire - one where Russians, Danes, Serbs, Avars, Swedes, Finns, Norwegians and Norse worked together in this very unusual mix of Vikings, Horsemen and Farmers - eventually emerging as a global superpower.
• The moment the Norman Invasion happened. Only, it happened in the Irish duchy of Ulster, and was carried out by a Miroslav adventurer. This one was completely out of the blue, as I had expected the Saxon Miroslavs to expand from their foothold into Britain, not quite this.
• Every time the Italians switched sides and kept joining the French Empire. Italians were living up to their reputation for fickleness. At one point they nearly triggered a world Empire of French Miroslavs, after the French Miroslav united Francia, Germania, Italia and was set to take over Britannia through inheritance and conquer Iberia. One of the few times were a Miroslav nearly wiped out the main dynastic line.
• The invincible Ferzadid family. The Ferzadid family consisted of some of the most resilient people alive, hailing from the Iranian lands of Baloch the Ferzadid all descended from a peasant who rose to power leading the most successful Zoroastrian rebellion against the Abbasid Blob. After some highly successful and clever leaders led the Ferzadid family to reinstate the Persian Empire with conquest and diplomatic subjugation of other Zoroastrian rebels, the Zoroastrian Empire began to experience real decline under one Shahansha remembered only as 'the drunk.' A few weak Ferzadid Emperors was all it took to weaken the Empire far enough to allow Emperor Slavko the Wise to steamroll through the Persian Coast into India. Future Ferzadid rulers managed to grow the Empire north in spite of this, but would be mortally wounded by the rise of the Roman Empire and the arrival of two Mongol Hordes. In spite of these invasions the Ferzadid still led several successful rebellions against their Mongol overlords and resisted the Miroslav encroachment, most notably with the last stand of the Immortals. No family fought with and against the Miroslavs longer than the Ferzadid, with only the Barrani coming close. A worthy foe.
• The first Czarina. For generations there had never been a Czarina, as there was always at least one very competent and well educated son at hand. This would change with Emperor Visarion VI. There was nothing wrong with Emperor Visarion VI, it was just that his younger brother was far superior to him in every way - a fact that Emperor Visarion V noted well. (Also note, 6 Visarions ruled the Serbian Empire in a row). Whilst Prince Ratomir was given the best education, Emperor Visarion V made Prince Visarion VI's life a living torment, encouraging everyone to bully him, calling him a disappointment in every way and generally being the #1 father in trauma. When Emperor Visarion V died of natural causes, the throne passed to Emperor Visarion VI who negotiated a marriage with the Princess of France&Iberia&Germania with his brother Ratomir, right before he killed himself out of depression. This made Emperor Visarion VI the shortest lived Czar with the least amount of time spent in rule. This left Czar Ratomir to rule over the Serbian Empire (with a combined attribute score of 95!!!) at the age of 16.

Needless to say this would have started a golden age of Titanic proportions. Czar Ratomir the paragon of virtue and wisdom died at the age of 19 peacefully in his sleep, without an heir. I felt as if a terrible punishment had been inflicted upon me by God, for inflicting such hell upon Visarion VI. With no heir, the Throne passed to Czarina Bastrina, the first Czarina, and the Western and Eastern Miroslav Empires remained disunited. Czarina Bastrina started her rule with a feast, gathering her allies whilst summoning hundreds of thousands of mercenaries to patrol everywhere from Africa to India. Effectively this turned into Martial Law until all the nobles were convinced this was not the time to seek independence, this was the time to swear loyalty to the Czarina. Eventually the Aztec Empire attacked Marrakech, which was at this time Serbian. The Aztecs found no armies to oppose them, only formidable Fortresses. Then the Serbians arrived at the behest of their Czarina. The Aztecs were utterly massacred as Czarina Bastrina assembled the largest fleet the world had ever seen and the largest army the world had ever seen to destroy the second largest fleet the world had ever seen and the second largest army the world had ever seen. The first Czarina did good, even capturing some Aztecs and creating a line of court Aztecs who looked like Serbs but ran around speaking Aztec and wearing feathers.

• In EU4, the expansion of the Miroslav family into the Ming Empire and the Shogunate of Japan. In China that came as a hell of a surprise to me, amidst a time of absolute chaos. The Serbian peacekeepers had to put down millions of rebels in order to stabilize the country and allow it to westernize. The time came to test though, when the Japanese, Manchu and Mongolians invaded China after having put it through centuries of humiliation. They found the Chinese under a Miroslav, with Western cannons and rifles in their hands. The Mongol hordes were totally destroyed. As for Japan, there was something neat about just conquering these little Emperors in Japan with a single army and general. Quite calming really.

• And to end it all, I'd have to say the reign of High Chief Vojislav exemplified the playthrough by virtue of being everything it grew out of. There was a refreshing simpleness, back in the old days when the Rashidun Caliphate and Charlemagne were still running around. Chief Vojislav was just a humble and tough soldier married to a clever Volnhyian of Kiev. Occasionally he'd lead raids into the Byzantine lands for gold, and lead his men through the cold mountains and hills of Serbia to avoid Byzantine patrols. Then he'd sit in his wooden hall, laughing at the Catholics fighting each other over some foreign pettiness, demanding to be the priest who'd get to convert little Serbia to Christ. There was no vast family, no vast conspiracy, no intrigue, no grandiose wars or titanic struggle from the economies of landmasses to the destination of its people. It was just the Chief taking gold from the Christians and burning their houses down. Then when he converted, the Chief marrying his sons and daughters with them whilst building them houses. And he'd run around fighting because he was a tough soldier. There was no struggle of worlds, because the world was just this tiny little province and that was it as far as Vojislav was concerned.

Then he closed his eyes and the world became Miroslav.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

This game went from being BJ blazkowicz to Wilhem Strasse really fast.

EDIT: Is it possible we can get a vicky2 extension?

[Digital Hellhound]

*applauds*

I feel honored to have seen parts of this glorious clusterfuck.

Even if you don't play it, it might be interesting to convert the save to V2 (assuming you have it). The pops should be... interesting. You should probably mod in a Miroslav culture to unite the world, though.

[Dorsidwarf]

Bravo, sir, bravo.

That's all there is left to say.