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[ArKFallen]

Does CKII have siege attrition that it doesn't mention? Or do sometimes the random siege events not show up?

I've always noticed my troops to slowly diminish during sieges and events taking out chunks at a time. I just assumed it was simulating the casual firing upon from a defensible location.

[umiman]

Does CKII have siege attrition that it doesn't mention? Or do sometimes the random siege events not show up?

I think one of the patches made it so the random siege events don't pop up any more but show up in the important events tab.

It still happens though and can very frequently push you from having more than enough men to not enough men.

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Edit: I don't understand what Descan is talking about but if he wants to duel me I'm down with it.

[Paul]

Yeah I get the occasional siege events killing men. But I'll lose like 500 men from an event firing and then suddenly whatever is happening to me kicks in and I start losing rapidly and within a month another 3000 men will be gone. Sometimes I can raid whole countries with a stack of raider troops, other times this kicks in and I lose all my guys at one county.

Speaking on a completely different topic... Holy crap man, way of life is ridiculous with the seducing. My initial char went through 6 wives (none of which were lustful) who became "the unfaithful" and I divorced within 15 years. Then he dies and his daughter (the only child his wives had that wasn't someone else's bastard) becomes queen, and I start getting bombarded with like 4-5 indecent proposals a month with every count and duke in the realm trying to bed the queen. And they would not give up, it went on for years before I just quit the game in frustration of the popup every week (even when I'm trying to fight a war and the guy who is trying to seduce is supposed to be leading troops). Even her archbishop was trying to get it on with her. There should be some recourse to this mess, I should be able to imprison them all. Or at least an option to demand that they end their advances, similar to the "End Plot" demand thing. The rest of way of life is pretty interesting, but this part is ridiculous. And this is already the "toned down" version where they "fixed" it. I can't imagine how bad it was before.

[PanH]

Speaking on a completely different topic... Holy crap man, way of life is ridiculous with the seducing. My initial char went through 6 wives (none of which were lustful) who became "the unfaithful" and I divorced within 15 years. Then he dies and his daughter (the only child his wives had that wasn't someone else's bastard) becomes queen, and I start getting bombarded with like 4-5 indecent proposals a month with every count and duke in the realm trying to bed the queen. And they would not give up, it went on for years before I just quit the game in frustration of the popup every week (even when I'm trying to fight a war and the guy who is trying to seduce is supposed to be leading troops). Even her archbishop was trying to get it on with her. There should be some recourse to this mess, I should be able to imprison them all. Or at least an option to demand that they end their advances, similar to the "End Plot" demand thing. The rest of way of life is pretty interesting, but this part is ridiculous. And this is already the "toned down" version where they "fixed" it. I can't imagine how bad it was before.

There is. Change focus.

Also, hunt is much worse honestly.

[Paul]

There is. Change focus.

Also, hunt is much worse honestly.

But the queen's focus was rulership. Does focus even affect how seducer lords approach your characters?

[Digital Hellhound]

I don't think so. I honestly don't know at all how to get rid of your unwanted suitors. Embrace tyranny, execute alll of them?

I'd still change focus, though - Rulership seems to always throw up that event that makes you stressed (or depressed?). If there are positive events there, they don't pop up very often. Business gets you less Stewardship, but a nice opinion bonus and much nicer events (so much moneyyy).

[umiman]

Yeahhh....

I have no clue what on earth rulership is for honestly. I've had it for several characters for years and years and years and nothing good ever seems to happen.

Hunting is pretty stupid but at least you get good events once in awhile.

Business is super strong because of so much free money (though sometimes you get caught when you print crappy money). When you just started, especially in MP, you definitely want business as having thousands more gold than everyone else is massive. Unless you're all in the same country, then you want intrigue so you can kidnap everyone.

The rest are all pretty amusing.

[Chosrau]

I think I took rulership once. It allowed me to build a new holding for something like 200 gold, instead of the 900 it should have cost in that province, at the end of an event chain. Some months later my ruler got stressed and died.

[PanH]

Hunting is pretty stupid but at least you get good events once in awhile.

The White ... hunt events are so spammy it's terrible. If you're at peace, you can get it several times a month, and it's several events (1 : you decide to go hunt at place X, 2) you hunt at X but 3) you're dissapointed, etc). And even if you finally encounter or kill, 1 month later, there's ANOTHER mystical white beast that appears. Sure you can get ok things (a few courtiers), but I can't bear the spam. Rulership makes your character depressed, hunting gets me stressed and depressed.

[umiman]

It's spammy, but there are good events that can happen:

1. The hunter trait is super easy to get, which leads to some good free stats.
2. Occasionally you'll meet either a good future courtier or a superwoman from the wilds. If you have a pagan leader or anyone that can have concubines, having an army of those superwomen is excellent for building amazing children.
3. There's a number of events in it that increase health. Training your dog gives you +1 for instance.
4. As long as your pet dog is alive, it will very frequently fire off events that clear out your stressed trait. Very useful.
5. You can go on grand hunts at any time, which is kinda neat. (I think that might be a CK2+ thing)

So it just depends on your tolerance. I know actually killing your white target is almost impossible. I've only ever seen it once in so many frigging games.

[scriver]

Does CKII have siege attrition that it doesn't mention? Or do sometimes the random siege events not show up?

I think one of the patches made it so the random siege events don't pop up any more but show up in the important events tab.

It still happens though and can very frequently push you from having more than enough men to not enough men.

In addition, I think they only show up if your character is actively leading a flank or a unit, too.

Edit: I don't understand what Descan is talking about but if he wants to duel me I'm down with it.

It had already been stated several times that it wasn't attrition, including in the post you were responding to.

[Sheb]

Hunting is great for the health bonus to keep that old foggy alive ten more years. Rulership is good if you get a crappy character because it lets it get traits like diligent, just and ambitious. Not of much use if you educated your heir properly.

[RedKing]

Well this should be interesting....the HRE in my Malinese game has been a Lombard state for the 100 years or so that it's been around, initially a fusion of the kingdoms of Lombardy and Asturias. Now the throne belongs to Sunigelda, eldest daughter of Emperor Liutbrand, who had five daughters but only one son, a bastard still in his youth. Liutbrand was married off to the Greek Orthodox Doux of Sicily. They have a son, Ioulianos, who is also an Orthodox Greek. Which means that, barring a successful revolt before Liutbrand passes away, the HRE will have an Orthodox Greek Emperor. Curious to see if the HRE somehow winds up combining with the Byzantines (although the Byzantine Empire has been a Patriarchate since 772...I still have NO idea how that happened).

[BFEL]

(although the Byzantine Empire has been a Patriarchate since 772...I still have NO idea how that happened).

Spoiler: explanation (click to show/hide)

THE GOVERNMENT IS PUTTING BIBLES IN THE WATER SUPPLY.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE.

[612DwarfAvenue]

So. Am not especially concerned with micromanaging everything, am instead seducing everyone and their mother, including my own siblings, so i have kids to marry into foreign cultures and get me some claims. If someone crosses me, they get assassinated and possibly their wife knocked up with my kid. If i can clear out some lines of succession to get my own kids in there, assassination. Someone's not dropping a plot when i want them to, assassination.

My surviving (and likely eventually inbred) children will fight amongst themselves in the inevitable clusterfuck, the survivors will breed the next generation to pass on those Darwin-approved genes and continue the cycle. Eventually a race of ubermensch will arise, disfigured from inbreeding, but strong for they are the survivors. Even lover's pox will only be a nuisance, simply serving as one more obstacle to be overcome.

Am i doing it right?