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[Rakonas]

Elective Gavelkind also really sucks, I hope they fix it in a patch. Literally no logic in how the AI votes, and I've had times where the heir wasn't the one with the most votes. I was hoping to play a campaign where I kingdom-hopped around leaving the old kingdoms behind but in my dynasty, and I physically can't because my asshole heir ruling half my kingdom will vote for my inbred cousin in sweden instead of himself.

[Shadowlord]

My votes in my elective monarchy went all FUBAR as soon as the patch hit too. Of course, I had -30 modifiers on every duke due to vassals being raised, but they were perfectly willing to vote for my candidate (my son) before the patch... I even started revoking anyone who was dumb enough to refuse to quit a plot to assassinate my son (and chosen successor, who they weren't voting for), which was a lot of dukes, but it still wasn't enough because no matter how many elector titles I hold, I only get one vote because... reasons.

[Rakonas]

Playing as elective monarchy post-patch wasn't that bad in my experience with everyone liking me. I noticed in the patch notes they tweaked elective monarchies, making electors that like you less likely to vote for your nomination and more likely to vote for your dynasty. But they seem to have totally fucked it up.

[Majestic7]

Praise the Zun! I tried being a Zun-worshipping Afghan pagan satrap because...why not? Surprisingly I've been surviving for decades. When big guys come a-knockin', I just withdraw to mountains and watch them die to attrition. Graveyard of empires indeed. Then I've been opportunistically swallowing weak neighbours. I'll soon have third holy site and can look into reforming.

So yeah, I haven't really encountered any bugs worth writing home about. I had just forgotten how boring vanilla is compared to CK+/AGOT/Elder Kings. There is nothing to do really but wait for the chance to wage the next war. Lack of events and roleplaying opportunities is chafing.

So I suppose I won't be playing long before shelving CKII again and waiting for the mods to catch it. Don't get me wrong, all the glory to Paradox for crafting such fine game, but I wish they'd add more meat too and not just bones.

Edit: Small modification I noticed is that certain traits (like Lusty) only give malus towards Christians now. That is a nice change. Morality between religions and cultures was and is quite different after all.

[kaian-a-coel]

Is it me or are rivers no longer navigable? Even rivers through provinces I own as a germanic character. What am I doing wrong?

Germanic (formerly norse) can travel through major rivers, but I think you need to wait for the "age of the viking" event to fire.

[Kanil]

Playing as elective monarchy post-patch wasn't that bad in my experience with everyone liking me. I noticed in the patch notes they tweaked elective monarchies, making electors that like you less likely to vote for your nomination and more likely to vote for your dynasty. But they seem to have totally fucked it up.

I noticed this as well. I had no issues getting elected for the first few heirs, then abruptly everyone started voting against my desires. Was hoping to delay primogeniture for another ruler, but I suppose that's no longer an option. I can't even load the autosave and commit suicide through failed assassinations anymore. Annoying.

[ollobrains]

should have converted the french and norway first

[Rakonas]

I think that you need to build a city/castle outright. I think that if a vassal has a tribe with the necessary building as its capital it will also reform, but I feel like that won't work for republics.

[Wiles]

There's a beta patch out already! It has fixed a lot of what broke with Charlemagne.
Here are the patch notes:

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MAJOR:
- Fixed OOS in multiplayer if all players did not have Charlemagne enabled.
- Muslims are now more likely to become decadent, especially dynasty members of larger realms.
- Fixed bug where the Straighten Up decision could be taken again after 7 days.
- Fixed bug where it was not possible to hand out viceroyalties after reloading the game.
- Resolved crash when opening war overview window in a revolt war.
- Fixed crash in law view when republics did not have all patrician slots filled.
- Fixed bug where the realm capital did not properly use the patrician elective law.
- Norse fleets can now travel through major rivers as intended.
- The Adopt Feudalism and Form Merchant Republic decisions are now divided into two part - one that is taken to adopt the new government form and upgrade the capital, and a second one that is taken to upgrade the remaining holdings.
- Fixed crash while hovering the call all allies button in observer.
- Tribals now properly get access to crown authority laws when they convert.
- Solved the CTD on Linux, no more need for -threads=1 workaround

MINOR:
- Elective Gavelkind: Fixed a bug where claims were not awarded correctly on kingdom split inheritance
- Optimized message logging in Release builds.
- Fixed a bug where looter armies just standing around would prevent peace Prestige loss for aggressive pagans
- AI: Rebalanced raid propensity. Rulers with Prestige loss on peace are now more aggressive
- AI: Tweaked Prepared Invasion propensity slightly
- AI: Less likely to answer calls to arms if busy raiding
- Fixed an issue with exiled characters' destination
- Added a revenge event for the sons of Lodbrok against Aella
- It is now possible to see all the laws of your lieges titles in the law view.
- Fixed exploit where the recently conquered modifier was not properly applied until the day after a holding was conquered.
- The opinion modifier for vassals for handing out viceroyalties are now only applied to feudal non viceroyals on duke-tier or higher.
- Fixed bug where the opinion modifier for handing out viceroyalties did not apply for viceroyals in the history files.
- The empty holdings modifier for garrison and levies are now calculated after the other modifier.
- Tribal holdings now get less taxes and levies if the province is of the wrong culture or religion.
- The opinion modifiers for being of the wrong religion is now increased for tribals against their liege.
- Right click now works on mac when using borderless.
- Family prestige no longer gives a bonus to vassal limit.
- The chronicle now closes when pressing escape.
- Fixed bug where the caliphate title could be given to vassals of the wrong religion, females and characters without the Sayyid or Mirza traits.
- Fixed bug where the 99% warscore cap was not properly applied in certain wars.
- Fixed bug where the AI did not end wars when at 100% warscore due to the recipient having previously declined a peace offer.
- Fixed bug where characters were not properly selected after loading a save if a character was selected before the save was loaded.
- Children created in ruler designer now properly counts as heirs to your titles.
- The decision to donate money to the knights templar now have its intended decision icon.
- Chronicle should now properly show birth of first son even if he has older sisters.
- Rare event that makes a vassal switch side between Charlemagne and Carloman should now work properly.
- Saxon Blood Court event no longer gives you the Crusader trait.
- Prepared Invasions are now enabled for Germanic Pagans with the start of the Viking Age.
- Added some more Celtic realm names to Britain.
- Several minor text fixes.
- Viking Age event is now fully compatible with old save games.
- Reworked system for Ramadan events. They will no longer pop in a bunch at the same time.
- Fixed DND-flag and pulled adventurers out of hiding while preparing for a war.
- Fixed Incorrect alpha for female muslim headgear fixed for the Early Eastern Clothing Pack DLC.
- Now allowed some more leeway with granting "contested titles" while involved in wars and civil wars
- Adventurers will no longer accept being invited to your court.
- It is no longer possible to use the succession changing factions against muslim lieges.
- Fixed bug where the characters in the era picker were unclickable after going back from custom game setup.
- Fixed bug where the pagan versions of Coat of Arms were not properly applied to custom created kingdoms and empires.
- Fixed inconsistencies in credits.
- Fixed bug where the same plot entry was shown twice in the plot view.
- Event spawned troops through the councillor jobs are now named Zealots, Raiders and Warriors.
- Various text fixes.
- Scottish culture event now properly converts province culture to Scottish.
- Added missing Romuva holy sites in early start dates.
- Cleaned up old tech system defines from defines.lua
- Adopt feudalism decision now require at least one in the Noble Customs technology.
- Found Merchant Republic decision now require at least one in the Trade Practices technology.
- It is no longer possible to form custom kingdoms when not being independent.
- The tribal councillor jobs no longer dissapear when having a regent.
- Tweaked triggers for Russian and Scottish culture emergence events.
- Tweaked AI logic for liege converting to capital province culture in some cases.
- Moved/added new dynasties to several cultures.
- Changed some early characters in history files from Dutch to Frisian culture.
- Revised name lists for early East Slavs.
- Corrected a history database issue where some Saffarid and Kabul Shahi subjects stayed Zunist after being subjugated.
- Ireland is now tribal in 867.
- Reduced severity of effects of unused and angry tribal event troops disbanding.
- Hiding character going celibate now gives spouse and lovers intended opinion modifiers.
- Adapted some Charlemagne story event triggers to protect against weirdnesses caused by using the ruler designer on major story characters.
- Changed trigger for Irminsul event to make it more likely to happen.
- Khazar rulers can now receive Jewish exiles regardless of ruler religion.
- Christian rivals will no longer reconsider their rivalry against other Christians unless they recently switched religion to Christianity.
- Pagan feast events reworked and should no longer pop in bunches at the same date.
- Tweaked triggers for Russian and Scottish culture emergence events.
- Tweaked AI logic for liege converting to capital province culture in some cases.
- Moved/added new dynasties to several cultures.
- Changed some early characters in history files from Dutch to Frisian culture.
- Revised name lists for early East Slavs.
- Corrected a history database issue where some Saffarid and Kabul Shahi subjects stayed Zunist after being subjugated.
- Ireland is now tribal in 867.
- Reduced severity of effects of unused and angry tribal event troops disbanding.
- Hiding character going celibate now gives spouse and lovers intended opinion modifiers.
- Adapted some Charlemagne story event triggers to protect against weirdnesses caused by using the ruler designer on major story characters.
- Changed trigger for Irminsul event to make it more likely to happen.
- Fixed issues in CB logic that could result in viewing wrong tooltip
- Now custom kingdoms instantly dejure drift on formation, however only if the dejure kingdom/empire is not created and if you completly control the titles.
- Custom kingdoms now cost 300 wealth instead of scaled wealth
- Custom empires now cost 1000 wealth instead of scaled wealth

MODDING:
- Event spawned troops with an earmark can now be custom-named by using the earmark key and "_ARMY" or "_ARMY_OF" in the localization.
- Added define for first year to execute tech, used for optimization, needed for mods.

CONVERTER:
- Now norse_pagan does not convert to norse_pagan_reformed in converter

[Shadowlord]

> - Fixed bug where the realm capital did not properly use the patrician elective law.

That explains how the Count of Ulster, who was a vassal of a Merchant Republic, became Duke of Ulster and then King of Ireland. He's not in my dynasty, and it's going to pass outside my rule when he dies, the game says (despite that I have absolute crown law everywhere but Britain, so that should be impossible).

The fix seems a bit late now...

Edit: Correction: Loaded the game, and it actually says he's going to inherit my Empire, because my electors are jerks.

[Culise]

> - Tweaked triggers for Russian and Scottish culture emergence events.
So, does this mean we no longer need to rely on the almighty Germanic peoples to deliver Russian culture to the unwashed masses of the Volga, Dnieper, and Don?

[Wiles]

I miss my massive retinue armies 

It's probably for the best that they changed them, but I'll still dream of the days when I could conquer all of Europe with my all cataphract retinue armies.


So far I've managed to play through Charlemagne's lifetime and to be honest it was a tad disappointing. Being the namesake of the expansion I was looking forward to some interesting event chains but there doesn't seem to be that many. There are definitely new events surrounding his rule but they are pretty bland for the most part and most of them don't require any meaningful decisions. In the end it just felt like it was just a lot of window dressing.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Better than me. I was extremely disappointed in ~780 in my new Welsh game when I look to Europe and check the "Middle" and "West" Frankish empires only to find.. Some random cousin of Charlemagne is the W.F. King. Carloman is just gone, Germany or somewhere, and has no kids. Hates me too much to come to my court so that's not an option either.

Either way, it seems the AI is WAY too gung-ho about the 'Depose ruler' plots. I've gotten 1 every game so far, sometimes multiple, one right after being deposed and taking it back.. and I keep my families tight and loyal so it's usually never an issue for me. It's probably the reason why Carloman is a no-title joker and Charlemagne is a vengeful adventurer despite them having the strongest nations and powerbases in the goddamn world..

Correction: This happens consistently having checked my other saves. Carloman just gets deposed in no time and Charlemagne is basically guaranteed to have to fight deposement after deposement. I seriously don't think Carloman and Charlemagne's lands were in serious revolt a majority of the time in this time period. I'm actually 100% sure of this fact.

I now actually remember in my Zunbil game [it's hard to keep this family small..], there was a 'depose liege' plot being ran by my Son and heir with high relations. His new ruler target wasn't himself, it was a random relative, I think his daughter's son or something... Either way, there's something fucked with deposing plots in this version. If you see it in 'threats', just arrest the person before they ruin your fun with the bullshit you lose-you lose decision.



I'm also extremely disappointed in Ragnarr Lodbrok's implementation. I didn't see any dynamic event chains nor any railroad event chains for him. I don't even think the 793 Slaget Om Lindisfarne [you know, the start of the viking age..] even is even properly represented nor does it have any actual effect on any viking nation, as far as I saw. It's just an event. You don't actually get to execute the attack on Lindisfarne. The town doesn't even get a 'looted' modifier from the event, so I'm sure it's just a transition event that actually means nothing.

BUT basically this means Ragnar dicks around in Sweden forever. He doesn't pop out his historical children...... So no real viking age because no invasion of Northumbria...

I fully expect mods to fix these issues.

[Karkov]

I hope mod makers get on it pretty quick, a harmless mod adding a couple of traits now crashes my game every time I try to boot with it.  I get far enough every time to choose my starting time and as soon as it is supposed to show the recommended starts it just instantly crashes.

Rather annoying, really.  I never even play as those characters.  I always make a character and grab a county somewhere and see how far I can get.

[Wiles]

Correction: This happens consistently having checked my other saves. Carloman just gets deposed in no time and Charlemagne is basically guaranteed to have to fight deposement after deposement. I seriously don't think Carloman and Charlemagne's lands were in serious revolt a majority of the time in this time period. I'm actually 100% sure of this fact.

I'm not trying to be contrary or anything like that but so far I've experienced the opposite. It is interesting to see how much the game can vary.

Charlemagne's vassals in Aquitaine do start with a -100 relationship penalty so he's always going to end up fighting them. Historically Charlemagne did go to war with Aquitaine. During the few games I've played so far Charlemagne has done pretty well for himself and seems to always manage to beat the Aquitainian revolters and run a stable kingdom.

Carloman on the other hand tends to follow his historical counterpart in the games I've played so far.

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He conveniently dies young leaving his kingdom to his brother