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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #5220 on: April 06, 2014, 03:20:06 am »

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« Reply #5221 on: April 07, 2014, 11:12:27 am »

Oh that's nice. Gonna be way more easier to find geniuses and attractives to mate with now.

And lustful/hedonists for when the plagues hit and you just need more bodies.

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« Reply #5222 on: April 07, 2014, 12:15:34 pm »

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Finnish dude wants to sell me his prisoners. I'm king of Sri Lanka.

I thought this was not supposed to happen -.-'
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« Reply #5223 on: April 07, 2014, 12:22:15 pm »

What probably happened is some dude got exiled / ran away from a court someplace and ended up in yours. His unlanded relatives who got imprisoned are considered yours now.

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« Reply #5224 on: April 07, 2014, 12:23:22 pm »

Still doesn't make sense. Why flee to Norse Sri Lanka if the entirety of Scandinavia is owned by Norse people >.>

Dude doesn't take no for an answer though. And I really don't feel like paying 10 gold for some random börk.
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« Reply #5225 on: April 07, 2014, 12:26:03 pm »

Perhaps you could do a relatives check on that imprisoned person and see where the connection is. After which you could.... 'sever the connection'. Mwahahahahaha.

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« Reply #5226 on: April 07, 2014, 01:01:56 pm »

Europe is looking very confused in my India game. The duchy of Latium won the lands of Andalusia in a Crusade and somehow Asturias owns half of Ireland.

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« Reply #5227 on: April 07, 2014, 01:09:08 pm »

Hey basic question (vanilla CK2).  I'm trying to unite Spain as Castille and have about 3/4 of the peninsula, just the civil war-torn chaos of Portugal and Aragon to subjugate, and a couple random Muslim remnant counties.  I've already found Spain can't be united as Spain, and will have to be Castille.

My question is, what benefit is there to creating duchies, aside from using it as casus belli for missing pieces of land?  I have something like 4-5 now that I can create, but it's an elective monarchy and I recall from past games that it can be a headache managing too many dukes for their votes, so I have held off.  I even eliminated the Kingdoms of Leon and Navarra, simply because I didn't want to manage their succession (and have their vassals well enough in hand).  I have two duchies of my own, and I think there are two other dukes out there which is an easy number to manage; so I'm in no hurry to create more.  They won't gain me land since I have all the territory in them already, primarily gained through crusades.  It seems like assembling a duke-free kingdom is a headache-free way to govern, I'm wondering if I am missing a downside?
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« Reply #5228 on: April 07, 2014, 01:15:18 pm »

The main bonuses to creating Dukes is that they spread technology, and like any big vs small vassal debate, less vassals tend to be easier to manage. Counts don't generate any technology at all btw. As an Elective realm it is a sound decision to not make any dukes, so you can just hand pick your heirs. Though note that only De Jure dukes get votes, so for example, the duke of Barcelona wouldn't get any votes in your kingdom as it is De Jure Aragon and not De Jure Castille.
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« Reply #5229 on: April 07, 2014, 01:35:31 pm »

They also help with religious conversion and rebel attacks. Dukes are a bonus chaplain, and can muster a larger army to fend off rebels / viking raiders.

But yeah, keep the numbers reasonable. Dukes can get very powerful.

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« Reply #5230 on: April 07, 2014, 01:56:23 pm »

The main bonuses to creating Dukes is that they spread technology

Ah, interesting.  So, assuming I had no other dukes and it was all counts, does technology not grow at all in my realm outside my own holdings?  Would having dukes increase how fast I get Tech Points to spend on advances?  Would there be certain stats I might look for in potential dukes that modify how fast they spread technology?  Technology growth is an area of the game I am hazy on.

They also help with religious conversion and rebel attacks. Dukes are a bonus chaplain, and can muster a larger army to fend off rebels / viking raiders.

Also good to know and quite applicable to my situation, since half my realm is now Sunni and my Chaplain is quite overwhelmed. 

Thanks guys
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« Reply #5231 on: April 07, 2014, 02:05:18 pm »

to be precise, it's not so much a bonus chaplain more like they have access to more courtiers, which means they have better chaplains. Sometimes your dukes might end up annexing all the lands inside their duchy... so you end up with less chaplains. On a whole, they will be better at converting provinces than a count though.

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« Reply #5232 on: April 07, 2014, 03:13:38 pm »

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Counts do not generate technological points whatsoever so they cannot spread technology. However, tech naturally spreads from zones of high tech to low tech so even with an all count realm the tech from your personal holdings will eventually filter down, just not very quickly. Dukes and higher generate tech points just like you and can advance in tech just like you, so they will use their own points to advance their demense and your realm. And no, dukes or any vassals do not directly contribute to your tech rate. Though its possible for dukes to advance past your level of tech and for that tech to spread to your demense.
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« Reply #5233 on: April 08, 2014, 04:09:57 pm »

Played around with Ironman mode finally. Started in 867 as Harald Fairhair, Jarl of Ostlandet. 100 years later, I'm a Viking Emperor of a Norse Scandinavia.

Booyah. Best of all was how I formed it -- united Norway quickly, then tried to find a way to cripple Svithod/Sweden before it could unify and pose a threat. Thankfully, the Danes took care of that, breaking them into small enough chunks for me to conquer over a decade or two. Unfortunately, the Danes then became my major stumbling block.

King Gorm "the Wise" of the Danes converted to follow the guy in Rome with the big hat, then unwisely chose to try to attack my lands while I was across the Bay of Bothnia with my 2000-strong household guard, conquering the Finns. I raised all my armies, which matched the Danes but found themselves ill-led and badly beaten in southern Sweden. Despite that, the battles and the Swedish winter took their toll on the Danes. Then my mighty king (Jedvard the Confessor -- an odd name considered he remained an ardent Norse Pagan) and his retinue returned from annexing the Kakisalmi, and utterly crushed the Danish army. They pretty much never recovered after that.

Eventually, Jedvard had enough territory to form the crowns of Finland and Sweden. But knew that if he did, gavelkind would see the three kingdoms sundered from each other. So instead it was just a really big Norway, until I gained just enough territories to leave me 5 shy of forming Scandinavia. The Jarldom of Smaland had remained independent and held 5 counties. By this time, Jedvard was 56 and infirm. Yet he still went abroad with his retinue, pillaging from Bremen to Ireland to fill his coffers. Returning, he became incapable and his wife made regent. As he lay dying, he gathered his jarls and had himself crowned king of Sweden and Finland, then sent emissaries to the Jarl of Smaland, demanding his allegiance. As a fellow pagan and de jure vassal of the Swedish crown, he happily assented.

With those five counties added to his demense, he then crowned himself Jedvard I, Emperor of the North (Nordkeiser?), King of the Northmen, of Svithod, and of the Finns.

And promptly died two days later, leaving a united Scandinavia (and kingship of the Finns) to his third son, and the crowns of Norway and Sweden to his late first son's son. (I'm not sure what the hell happened to his second son to knock him out of line for the inheritance...something that happened when I created a vassal Merchant Republic in Estonia).

It was a serious race against the clock to get everything in place to create Scandinavia in one fell swoop, otherwise I'd have had to wait years for his son to have enough piety to pull it off.



Now my next goal is to raise a Viking storm and retake Zeeland and Braunschweig in the name of Odin, so that Norse's religious authority goes up enough for me to start unconverting Danish lands. My overall goal is to retain a united Norse Pagan empire and export it into EU4 as the Fylkirate. Maybe add Britain to my lands while I'm at it. And prevent Russia from ever becoming a power (already took Novgorod), and Ruthenia is still a pagan powerhouse.   
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« Reply #5234 on: April 10, 2014, 08:51:15 am »

Does anyone have experience with being unable to give a duchy away?

I'm playing as a merchant republic, my capital is Amalfi in Sicily. I invaded Lotharingia a while ago, so now I rule the Most Serene Republic of Lotharingia, but my main holdings are still around Amalfi.
As far as I can tell, republics can't change capital, but I'm allowed to change my capital to Luxembourg because it's the old capital of Lotharingia. I don't want Luxembourg though. So I created the duchy of Luxembourg, but I can't give it to anyone! Not to a doge, not to a mayor, not to a count! It's not my capital, even though it could be, and the duchy isn't my primary title.

Now I'm over my demesne limit, I'm holding too many duchies, and if I could just hand out the duchy of Luxembourg (or even just the county of Luxembourg, that doesn't work either) I'd be fine, and I don't see a reason why I can't do that. Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
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