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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #4245 on: November 07, 2013, 09:36:05 pm »

Norse only.

And probably one of the northen finnish, or West African pagans.
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« Reply #4246 on: November 07, 2013, 09:54:51 pm »

Africans aren't too hard. No one attacks them because of the massive penalties and all their neighbours are useless. It's also exceedingly boring for the same reasons.

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« Reply #4247 on: November 08, 2013, 01:19:38 am »

Africans aren't too hard. No one attacks them because of the massive penalties and all their neighbours are useless. It's also exceedingly boring for the same reasons.
Also no room to expand before needing to headbutt the Umayad.
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« Reply #4248 on: November 13, 2013, 07:34:25 am »

Here are the patch notes for version 2.0.

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One thing that caught my eye was "Armies on ships are capped at 50% morale". I guess my cheese tactic of luring mongol doomstacks to the coast isn't going to be as effective as it used to be. :P
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« Reply #4249 on: November 13, 2013, 07:43:14 am »

Some cool stuff. Not entirely happy with lifting player restrictions for making certain titles without doing the same for the AI though.
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« Reply #4250 on: November 13, 2013, 07:58:44 am »

hooolyyyy crap, this is quite the change O_o
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« Reply #4251 on: November 13, 2013, 01:43:36 pm »

I guess I can understand why they restricted theocracies to a limited number. But I don't get the "Only county theocracies" bit.
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« Reply #4252 on: November 13, 2013, 02:15:38 pm »

"- You no longer get any liege levies from vassals with a negative opinion of you"

Ooooouch....

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« Reply #4253 on: November 13, 2013, 02:41:31 pm »

Well, you didn't get any if they were -25 opinion of you before the change, so it's not -that- big a deal.

And the bonus opinion from defending means you won't get ruined because your people hate you (Unless they REALLY hate you)

But it means that expanding requires you to either spend money on mercenaries or play the internal politics game more :3

I just hope they add in some ways to increase opinion besides "Be likeable" and "Throw money everywhere." Because one is mostly about traits and not being tyrannical, and the other... well, if you have enough money to throw it around, just use mercenaries. :V
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« Reply #4254 on: November 14, 2013, 01:05:04 am »

I am personally quite intrigued by the lack of "+20: don't want to die". Or anything allowing you to maintain a tyranical rule. As of now being a tyrant only has negative impact, why can't you rule by fear? ???
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« Reply #4255 on: November 14, 2013, 02:19:51 am »

I always rule by fear. Being nice never gets anything done and banishment gives so much money.

So the no troops for anyone with negative relations thing really hurts me.

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« Reply #4256 on: November 14, 2013, 06:18:28 am »

After a while, I try to get all my large-ish vassals in prison anyway.
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« Reply #4257 on: November 14, 2013, 06:19:46 am »

I always rule by fear. Being nice never gets anything done and banishment gives so much money.

So the no troops for anyone with negative relations thing really hurts me.

Just use your banishment money on mercenaries.  Besides, those who replace the banished get that wonderful +60 granted a county bonus and no past tyranny effects, so they should be giving you troops for quite a while.

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« Reply #4258 on: November 14, 2013, 06:43:03 am »

I just have 15+ diplomacy and my vassals are always happy. If not, I revoke their emirate :v
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« Reply #4259 on: November 14, 2013, 07:56:53 am »

I just hope they add in some ways to increase opinion besides "Be likeable" and "Throw money everywhere." Because one is mostly about traits and not being tyrannical, and the other... well, if you have enough money to throw it around, just use mercenaries. :V

There are already a lot of non trait related ways to up your relations. The chancellor is probably the most powerful one, he can net you +100 relations with another character. I generally matri-marry one of my daughters to some nobody with a high diplomacy score to get a good chancellor.
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