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[Lysabild]

Just curious, how much of that map came from DF and how much did you make up?  In terms of terrain, countries, religion, ect.

Terrain is so far 100% exported maps, provinces are from exported savagery map run through the Map Generator mod from eu3, countries and religion isn't touched at all.

[EnigmaticHat]

There's a map generator mod for EU3 that works on CK2?  That's awesome.  I mean I never finish programing projects but still, that would make it so much easier to be partially done.

Want to post the DF save?  I'm going to be too busy in the short term to commit to helping you, but I could definitely sift through legends and find some interesting religions/countries.  Right now your map is looking a bit shattered world, there are probably kingdoms and such that should be represented.

Oh, and your map won't work.  The engine can't handle having two separate sets of sea provinces that aren't connected.

[Lysabild]

There's a map generator mod for EU3 that works on CK2?  That's awesome.  I mean I never finish programing projects but still, that would make it so much easier to be partially done.

Want to post the DF save?  I'm going to be too busy in the short term to commit to helping you, but I could definitely sift through legends and find some interesting religions/countries.  Right now your map is looking a bit shattered world, there are probably kingdoms and such that should be represented.

Oh, and your map won't work.  The engine can't handle having two separate sets of sea provinces that aren't connected.

Oh it'll work, if portages work like I think they do, if not, it'll still work as places raiders can reach.

The map generator doesn't work for CK2, I just use the files it makes for EU3 and make it work for CK2. Like my definitions file. (Sourcecode: http://www.mediafire.com/download/9bdd93fp1fcgq9y/MapGenerator3b21source.zip )

Right now I've just tried making it all look like a drawn map with an old EU3 mod aswell:



Personally I like it and will like it more with a bit more refining, though it may not be for everyone.

As for the save it's only a fairly centered region of the whole map, you should be able to spot the area if you have the earlier test linked downloaded.


And it is basicly a shattered world atm, which isn't the intention at all, of course.

Save is uploading and will be in this post by edit once done.

Think that was all ^^;

Edit:

Save: http://www.mediafire.com/download/l75d1qppf94scia/Amethadefini.rar

Edit2:

Ah, forgot to say that the things I need the most is basicly characters and kingdoms, yeah. I find it hard to get a good idea of cultural spread aswell. I basicly want all 4, Dwarf, Elf, Human and Goblin to be present and unique on the map and I've gotten some help from a friend writing a program to generate random province names for me in the different languages, so those should be covered finally.

[EnigmaticHat]

Spoiler: info for Lysabild, or anyone interested in his world (click to show/hide)

Alright, its getting late in my time zone so I'll just do a quick look over and tie down the details later.

The mainland on the right side is a clusterfuck of overlapping claims to territory, no surprises there.  Untangling the mass will probably require a lot of looking through civ histories to see who owns what, who's winning wars, which historical figures rule what, ect.  So lets start with the two major islands to the left.  The upper left one has its lower third in the uncontested control of the "Kingdoms of Grouping", which has a peaceful history of construction and the occasional monster attack.  The rest of the island is uninhabited, which CK2 doesn't handle well.  I'd either leave it all counties, or make it wasteland, although if you do that you'll probably want some events so it isn't totally boring.  The lower left island is totally inhabited by an elven civilization called "The Worshipful Scale".  They have the most utterly boring history imaginable, with no recorded events past year 158.  AKA they have 500+ years of no leadership change, or meaningful conflict.  They have had two non-animal enemies in their entire history, a giantess and a forest titan, both long dead.  I imagine its a dull utopia of elves being together in peace.  Its leader is known as Lali Wamithaci, or "Lali Scarredfishes", she has been its queen from year 1 to the present in year 795.  The only things worth noting about her are: she married "Are Tundrarock" in year 18, and she worships Lulo Ditarieriya "Lulo Crabhail" a force that permeates the forest on her island and is associated with rivers and nature.  Also she has one surviving son "Ari Sizzledsong" and one daughter "Sanera Goaldeer".  That is almost literally everything there is to know about that island, unless you want to know about Lali's dead children for the sake of the history files.

It'll take some time to pick apart the right side of the map (I'll probably want to divide it into regions and analyze each in detail) but here are some early standouts:
A dwarven civilization called "The Room of Churches" is absolutely huge in terms of land claims, claiming land in 3 separate clusters of other civs as well as having its own heartland of uncontested land.  They're the main dwarves in the north and west and have a whole lot of mountain to work with.  Although if you only count the area they have mountainhomes in they're basically just medium-large.  A brief look into their history files shows a long history of fighting goblins in huge wars, that they lost at least some early on (1300 attackers, mainly dwarves, losing to 260 defenders, mostly goblins.  Basically everyone died) but their later conflicts were a series of easy victories and pillaging.  I think this is a world where people ganged up on the goblins.
The human "Empire of Assaults" controls a cluster of three small islands in between the main mass and the upper left island, and has its main claimed territory to the east of those islands.  All other small islands are uninhabited, except for the one in the inland sea which is controlled by the large Northeastern human country "The Neutral Confederacy."  Back to the Empire of Assaults, which also has a history of fighting goblins and eventually winning... but most interestingly, their still living warleader is a goblin with a massive title I'll shorten to "Turot Girlspring", an 685 year old male goblin with few kills but a long history of taming animals and winning wars.
The area to the North of the Empire of Assaults is basically elfland plagued by kobolds, but most of that area and those civ's territory is cut off.
I looked around for some powerful civs right outside the map border that could serve as invading hordes, and so far there isn't much.  There are some elves and goblins on the northern glaciers that could invade, but they're far off and probably busy with each other.  There are some cut off civs to the East and North that might work for hordes or special event troops.

So yeah, that's the kind of info I can give you.  Some questions for you: do you want translated names or untranslated?  The second is a tad harder because it only shows translated names on entries other than the main one for each thing.  Do you want history files, and/or the ability to play at different points in history?  Also, just in general, some more specific info on what you want would be nice.  Are you looking for a general description like the above, or screenshots of info you could add to the game?

[Sheb]

How are you going to implement races? As culture?

[forsaken1111]

How are you going to implement races? As culture?

Can you do custom genetic traits? "Elf" could impart longevity, etc.

[Sheb]

You could do that. Using the mechanism for the Sayyid trait, you could even make sure you always transmit it. You could also make it so race is only transferred by the mom/dad (so we don't have too many hybrids).

[EnigmaticHat]

You could do that. Using the mechanism for the Sayyid trait, you could even make sure you always transmit it. You could also make it so race is only transferred by the mom/dad (so we don't have too many hybrids).

The easiest solution to hybrids is to make them infertile, that way you'll only have to deal with halves, not quarters.  I think being infertile would invalidate them from rule the same way being a eunuch would.

Could be interesting.  Marry a ruler from a different race so that their kids can't compete with your current ones, that kind of thing.  And since there wouldn't be many half breeds running around, you could give them some ridiculous stats if you wanted to.

Also, one thing I remembered digging through the history files is that elves are mildly matriarchal, in the sense that their leaders and generals must be female.  Having succession laws that favor women has been done in the past, by giving every female character a trait that is functionally similar to "Born in the Purple".  This has the result of throwing female characters into the front of succession.  It wouldn't be perfect unless you gave males a trait that invalidates them, and it might fuck with other race's succession if elves join their civ.  But on the plus side it would make the elves more genuine if they had female rulers.

[Dutchling]

Paradox actually added female succession laws a while ago for modders, so you don't have to worry about that.

[EnigmaticHat]

Paradox actually added female succession laws a while ago for modders, so you don't have to worry about that.

Oh... I'm discovering that my understanding of modding paradox games is spotty and out of date.  Ah well.

Paradox did well with CK2 and avoiding prejudice, didn't they?  Non-Christian religions represented historically and without obvious (to me, at least) bias, non-whites who stand a chance fighting the Europeans (as opposed to EU, barring exploits or extreme skill), female characters who are still playable and interesting despite their historically accurate penalties.  And now there's support for modders getting rid of that.  The whole thing feels evenhanded.  I wouldn't call CK2 realistic in every aspect (even ignoring the obvious stuff like Aztecs), but I do feel like the devs tried to emulate history instead of their own biases.  Or their own morality, I mean CK2 characters casually do horrible things all the time, but it feels justified in-universe.

[Dutchling]

I don't think Paradox is trying to be as politically correct as you describe. They just know that the mod-ability of their games is one of their greatest aspects and help the modders out. They even added a special mechanic/trait which is used only by the Targaryans in the Game of Thrones mod.

[scrdest]

I don't think Paradox is trying to be as politically correct as you describe. They just know that the mod-ability of their games is one of their greatest aspects and help the modders out. They even added a special mechanic/trait which is used only by the Targaryans in the Game of Thrones mod.

EngimaticHat's post didn't concentrate on adding the female succession thing, but the fact that despite the title, the game neither whitewashes nor demonizes non-Christian-Noble-Males.

[Sheb]

Yeah, but then it was in a period when non-christian and non-europeans were actually pretty successful, as opposed to the setting of EU III.

[EnigmaticHat]

EU III has always been in that awkward place where you're allowed to play as non-western civs, but the game doesn't quite support it.  EU IV is a tad better.  Japan isn't crappy anymore and the monarch points and trade systems give you something to do as non-western civs besides wait for your tech to slowly and predictably rise over decades and plot gamey westernization.  On the flip side if you're somehow more technologically advanced than a western nation it nonsensically gets better troops (even on your terrain!), but I think that was in EU III as well.  Its cool that they give you the option as playing as those nations at least.

[Dutchling]

Your EU3 must be different than mine then.