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« Reply #3780 on: July 14, 2013, 03:57:18 am »

I generally try to make sure every succession inherits a new alliance or realm through marriage, so it's not all bad.
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« Reply #3781 on: July 14, 2013, 04:02:39 am »

If you're Norse, there'll be more factions and rebelling vassals, though it's still pretty easy to deal with.
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« Reply #3782 on: July 14, 2013, 04:10:30 am »

It might also help to make sure spymasters of your more rebellious vassals are not as great as yours.
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« Reply #3783 on: July 14, 2013, 01:26:20 pm »

It might also help to make sure spymasters of your more rebellious vassals are not as great as yours.

One trick I've used to do this without pissing people off is marrying the spymaster to someone in my court so that they move and need to be replaced.  It doesn't always work, but its pretty funny when it does.
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« Reply #3784 on: July 14, 2013, 02:41:01 pm »

I'm still Earl of Dublin (and Baron of ChristChurch, hehe).  My heir's wife has a weak claim on the kingdom of Gwynedd.  If I press that claim and somehow win (I dunno, I have a lot of allies) then she'd become a queen right?  Would that make my character King of Gwynedd, my heir (her husband) King of Gwynedd, or does she just become a queen outside my dynasty?  They have a non-matrilineal marriage, so I'm sure their children at least will be royals of my dynasty.

Also my wife/ex-spymaster was *so close* to being okay with my extramarital affair, but suddenly got another -50 from "Hatred".  I'm pretty worried because her intrigue is 7 to my 1 (my replacement spymaster is also 7... best I could find.)  I'm going to die, aren't I? 

Good thing I have succession all ready to go.  My elected heir has 17 stewardry, and his wife (the potential queen) has 19.  Loads of money!

It's surprisingly fun to just faff about as a lecherous Irish Earl.  I'm mostly waiting for my father, the earl of Leinster, to pass away of old age and double my territory.
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« Reply #3785 on: July 14, 2013, 02:46:33 pm »

She will become queen, and her heirs will be her children with the marriage with your heir. If they're non matri, then they'll be of your dynasty. Your heir (the husband of the Queen) will be King, but only of title (he will get small prestige bonus, and that's all). So, your grandson will potentially inherit your county and the kingdom (one from his father, one from his mother).

Spymaster : always have a spymaster which is green with you. Send her gift, or whatever. If he's red, he will not inform you of plots (in most cases).
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« Reply #3786 on: July 14, 2013, 02:49:21 pm »

If you make her a queen, your heir will move to her court and be out of your control. But when she dies, your heir's heir will inherit. If you are your heir at that point, then your heir will be the King. All you have to do is die and you will inherit the kindom.

Also, you can "invite a noble to your  court" in the intrigue screen. With "7", you can almost guarantee'd  to get a better spymaster out out of it.
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« Reply #3787 on: July 14, 2013, 03:00:56 pm »

If you make her a queen, your heir will move to her court and be out of your control. But when she dies, your heir's heir will inherit. If you are your heir at that point, then your heir will be the King. All you have to do is die and you will inherit the kindom.

Also, you can "invite a noble to your  court" in the intrigue screen. With "7", you can almost guarantee'd  to get a better spymaster out out of it.

Herp derp. I never realized I could use it to go non-retarded-courtier shopping, only used it for Casus Belliers.
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« Reply #3788 on: July 14, 2013, 03:13:57 pm »

Uhm, I'm talkin about makin nobles out of whole cloth. Not invitin people from other courts to your own, though that is another way that has a better chance of gettin a good one.

There's also "Invite a holy man" right above the noble invite button.
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« Reply #3789 on: July 15, 2013, 01:52:14 am »

Thanks for the help!  I took my time, explored the world, helped out my allies even when there wasn't much point, and eventually I did it - after 28 years I've established the kingdom of Ireland  8)

Elective seems pretty great, even with most of my titles held by family members.  The maluses seem pretty minor so far (after the initial period of rage).

My current ruler actually only had one son, an absolute moron with awful stats who murdered a bishop and took an oath of celibacy.  Fortunately my brother was the promiscuous party animal, so I have plenty of nephews.

I really want the oldest non-bishop nephew to be my heir.  He's the badass administrator married to the Petty Queen of Gwynedd.  Right now he's Mayor of Wexford, my Steward, "King" of Gwynedd (duke), and my heir (with zero votes, somehow).  His governing stewardship is 48 (19+10+19).  He's also just a nice guy and hasn't given me any trouble. 

I can't seem to actually nominate him as my heir, though... oh.  Nevermind, I reread the tooltip for Agnatic-Cognatic Elective and figured it out.  Nominees have to be children, siblings or dukes in my case.  No problem, I actually wanted to give him a petty kingdom!  What's the worst that could happen eh?
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Well I don't know if this is bad but, doing that made "great Houses" form in the petty kingdom.  Oh jeez.  I just promoted a burgher to a ducal title, didn't I?  Yeah, "Grand Mayor", and I still can't nominate him as my heir.

If I can live with this -30 for "wrong government", will this guy make me and my heir loads o'money?  He has Dublin and a port...
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« Reply #3790 on: July 15, 2013, 02:28:33 am »

You cannot nominate a non-feudal character into succession. If your heir is a non-feudal character you will lose the game on succession. 
A non-feudal character is one that first received a temple or city holding first instead of a castle. If they have a city holding they'll become a republic and if they receive a temple they'll become a theocracy (Muslims do not have theocracies, all temple titles are considered feudal).

Only a republic will have a relationship malus with a feudal leader but this is generally balanced with republics making a ton of gold. Ducial level republics that border the coast will become a maritime republic which will be playable (only with The Republic DLC and also not strictly feudal) and will generate insane amounts of gold.
A bishop that receives a country will be a prince-bishop. A prince-bishop cannot marry and cannot inherit titles. This greatly limits their expansion rates and will usually stick to their de-jure borders. Bishops given a dukedom will become an arch-prince-bishops which are better than feudal characters in a few way. They're less warlike, less likely to plot, will always vote for your choice in a feudal elective, cannot inherit lands. Catholics can also get the "free investiture" crown law which gives a massive +40 relationship bonus with bishops making them extremely broken and chessy. They do generate less levies than feudal vassals and less gold than republicans but they generally make up for it with their timidness. Other downsides include payments going to the pope instead of yourself if you're unliked and you lack free investiture. Prince-bishops also have a nasty habit of excommunicating other prince-bishops a lot leader to imprisionment request spam.

Most (player) realms will employ one or two maritime republics for the gold they produce to fund retinues, mercenaries and construction. They can be tricky to control since they'll always be looking to plot due to the wrong government malus and thirst to expand/become independent. Pacifying them with titles, gold gifts, limiting their expansion and only having a few republics is recommended to avoid strong factions.
Some people like to abuse prince-bishops (usually in elective systems) but I tend to only use them if I've conquered a lot of titles (like winning an invasion) and I have a lack of kinsmen to hand them out to. They can also be useful to palm off lands you inherited in far off places that your have no interest of governing.
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« Reply #3791 on: July 15, 2013, 02:33:42 am »

If your republican heir inherits, you will lose the game.

But if you mean a non-heir republic, then yes, lots of money.

But yeah, if a republic inherits you, even familial republic, you lose. Game over.

Even if you have the DLC, actually. Pretty sure at least.
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« Reply #3792 on: July 15, 2013, 02:38:59 am »

Thanks again.  It's pretty weird, he was listed as my heir but with zero votes.  As soon as I gave him the petty kingdom he stopped being my heir at all (I think some kid got chosen).

I don't actually have any of the DLC but that's alright.  Seems like his descendants are likely to remain in charge of the republic as long as their prestige and cash is high.  Even if some NPC patrician gets voted in, I assume they're still my vassal.  My rich, treacherous "wrong government" vassal.

Going to roll with this, just wanted to make sure I hadn't utterly doomed my game.
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« Reply #3793 on: July 15, 2013, 02:41:19 am »

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Yes. You'll lose the game if a non-feudal heir inherits, even if he's a kinsmen of a maritime republic. Republican dynasties can become feudal dynasties without losing the game however.
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« Reply #3794 on: July 15, 2013, 06:57:12 pm »

Elective seems pretty great, even with most of my titles held by family members.  The maluses seem pretty minor so far (after the initial period of rage).

Only downside is that, because the only powerful lords in your realm are of your family, your kin will all be marrying each other to secure powerful alliances.  Expect next generation to consist mostly of inbred morons.

For that reason, I generally try to build up a "loyal lieutenant" family for all my family to marry into.  Generally, children are educated by their parents, so a content vassal will likely have children that grow up to be content, with that sweet sweet +50 to relations with ruler.
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