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[krisslanza]

I still find the Cassus Belli system is silly and stupid, and anytime some way comes out that makes it not suck, people complain and Paradox fixes it. I just want to conquer Europe and the world, dammit!

You may enjoy EU3/EU4 more, in that case. You can attack for no reason, it just makes your country unstable and seizing territories illegally makes everyone in the world hate/distrust you.

Yeah I tried EU3 before, but I could never figure it out. And the fact I couldn't control anything character-related was a bummer.

I still say my only CB I need should be "Because I want your land, and my army is bigger then yours so try and stop me."

Instead I have to sit around for potentially years on end, twiddling my thumbs, to get some silly scrap of paper forged so I can justifiablely invade someone. Darn paper.

[Dutchling]

Then play a religion or culture which can use that casus belli you just described.

[Neonivek]

Then play a religion or culture which can use that casus belli you just described.

Don't exist

[Dutchling]

Then play a religion or culture which can use that casus belli you just described.

Don't exist

Non-Christian Mongols and Aztecs, all other altaic cultures as long as they're still pagan, and Muslims (although on a smaller scale).

[Nirur Torir]

If your biggest complaint is the casus belli system, mod the game. It only takes about two minutes.

Step 1: Browse to \crusader kings ii\common\cb_types. Create a backup of 00_cb_types, then open the original with notepad (or alternative of choice).
Step 2: Use Alt-F to find TRIBAL
Step 3: Find and delete this (Leave the second ROOT). It is just under the first paragraph-sized set of lines.

Code: [Select]

ROOT = {
OR = {
AND = {
independent = yes
OR = {
religion_group = pagan_group
AND = {
OR = {
has_horde_culture = yes
has_character_flag = horde_invader
}
NOT = { religion_group = christian }
}
}
OR = {
culture_group = altaic
culture_group = magyar
}
higher_tier_than = COUNT
OR = {
has_horde_culture = yes
has_character_flag = horde_invader
FROM = {
NOT = { religion_group = pagan_group } # Should subjugate these instead
}
}
}

AND = {
mercenary = yes
NOT = {
num_of_titles = 2
}
}
}
}Step 4: Save and play.

[Neonivek]

If your biggest complaint is the casus belli system

Naw, my biggest complaint is that often even vastly differing cultures feel like the same culture with slight alterations applied. Which for a game of this type feels odd.

My second biggest is that the game could have made the personal aspects of a character play more into the game and that its mechanical focus actually detracts greatly from the "sandbox" aspect of the game.

Which both essentially is a complaint that Crusader Kings 2 just comes off as a very mechanical and artificial game that really would have been vastly improved had there been layers.

My current rating of the game is a 7/10, I am trying to see if I am going to take away one point or add one.

[Eagle_eye]

Possible but irrelevant- steam engines are useless without coal. Trying to feed a steam-mill with lumber is less cost effective then just using a regular windmill.

Coincidentally, Europe has a lot of coal.

Where as this is out of the question entirely. You need so much technical and social change to pull this off, that to call the resulting society "Cathars" is at the very least misleading.

Catharism is a christian heresy, not a society. You might as well say it's misleading to call Catholicism Catholicism because it's undergone ~2000 years of change since the start.

Otherwise you will be left with one (or a couple) Gatling guns (designed by some ahead-of-his-time genius, already burned at the stake)

The Cathars really weren't big on killing people who disagreed with them, especially when compared to medieval Catholics.

and no ammo or personnel to run it after a few years.

With some talented blacksmiths and access to steel, which was created, albeit in small quantities, at the time, casting enough ammo to run a couple of guns would be very much within the realm of possibility, and training someone to use a gun, even a Gatling gun, is significantly easier than training someone to be a longbowman, which would probably be the closest medieval equivalent.

[scriver]

Like what, for example?

Any sort of totalitarian or empire-forming government. Where "because I said so" would be a justified excuse.

Like what, exactly?

And also:

Then play a religion or culture which can use that casus belli you just described.

Don't exist

Non-Christian Mongols and Aztecs, all other altaic cultures as long as they're still pagan, and Muslims (although on a smaller scale).

Why did you just ignore this?

[a1s]

Possible but irrelevant- steam engines are useless without coal. Trying to feed a steam-mill with lumber is less cost effective then just using a regular windmill.

Coincidentally, Europe has a lot of coal.

Not in Languedoc, where the Albigensian was happening.

Where as this is out of the question entirely. You need so much technical and social change to pull this off, that to call the resulting society "Cathars" is at the very least misleading.

Catharism is a christian heresy, not a society. You might as well say it's misleading to call Catholicism Catholicism because it's undergone ~2000 years of change since the start.

Which it is. The Catholic church of 1054 isn't much like the "catholic" church we know now, though since it's an existing organization, it might be easier to change the name of 1054 Catholicism to "Early Catholicism" than the other way around.

and no ammo or personnel to run it after a few years.

With some talented blacksmiths and access to steel, which was created, albeit in small quantities, at the time, casting enough ammo to run a couple of guns would be very much within the realm of possibility, and training someone to use a gun, even a Gatling gun, is significantly easier than training someone to be a longbowman, which would probably be the closest medieval equivalent.

Gatling guns don't just run on gunpowder, they need a whole range of stuff from oil to tiny replaceable parts. No matter how many Gatlings you start with, unless you have an industry (which doesn't have to be mechanized factories, but it does require a significant middle class) to back them up, they will have to go the way of Da Vincis's Tank or Federov's Autorifle.

[Sheb]

While a Gatling is far too advanced, it's easy enough imagining them making gunpowder and kicking asses with it.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

Primitive powder weapons were woefully ineffective. They were slow, dangerous, cumbersome and inaccurate. They were expensive to make and maintain and were outperformed by previous ranged weapons such as the bow.
The advantage of powder weapons were their ease of use which meant they didn't require a large amount of training to use, they also tended to have a devastating effect on enemy morale when used in tandem. It wasn't really until the invention of rifled muskets that they started to outperform other ranged weaponry.

The switch from human powered to powder based weaponry was slow and require large amounts of military reforming. It doesn't seem plausible that a group will suddenly come to dominate because they managed to invent primitive powder. Asia had gunpowder for centuries but never managed to completely utilise it's uses and instead relied on other weaponry.

[Neonivek]

Why did you just ignore this?

Cause he be lying.

[majikero]

Which part? Pagans with king ambitions gets CB on every pagan on the de jure kingdom you want. You have Holy War CB on everything not your religion along your boarders. You can break truce and keep attacking. The question is, can you sustain such expansion?

[Neonivek]

gets CB

[majikero]

Do you WANT all the hundred other lords wage total war in your realm? It limits the AI so it doesn't attack everything smaller than them. They busy themselves with plots to kill you rather than fight in the field.