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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #2940 on: May 21, 2013, 07:19:20 am »

Been a while, but last game I remember having a lot of success with the "find claimants, invite to your court, marry them to some random niece or nephew in your family (in the way that puts them in your dynasty), wait til they have children, then press the child's claim" method. Since the child will be of your dynasty, the land will come under your control. Takes a bit to come to fruition, but it is a nice supplement to the falsify claim method.

Of course ! Children! Theres the step I missed!
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« Reply #2941 on: May 21, 2013, 07:22:20 am »

If that is too long, you can also give the claimant a piece of land that you are liege lord of (county that you are duke of, for example). Then when you press their claim, it will fall to you because they are your vassal. I prefer the other method, but this one works as well.
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« Reply #2942 on: May 21, 2013, 07:43:54 am »

If that is too long, you can also give the claimant a piece of land that you are liege lord of (county that you are duke of, for example). Then when you press their claim, it will fall to you because they are your vassal. I prefer the other method, but this one works as well.
This one works very well if you've just holy war'd a county and you don't want to wait the thirty years for it to start being productive.
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« Reply #2943 on: May 24, 2013, 04:42:27 am »

Oh my god, I cannot believe this.

I, the great duke of Barcelona, king (but not ruler of) Castille and Galicia, have been cheated on by my wife and... MY SON.

Yes. I am not even kidding. MY SON AND MY WIFE JUST HAD A BASTARD, AND ARE LOVERS. CANNOT COMPUTEEEEEE.

Oh, yes. And the child. The child is female. With the traits of Weak and Inbred. Surprise!

Edit: He did it again! Aaaah!
« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 05:02:32 am by Tarran »
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« Reply #2944 on: May 24, 2013, 05:32:28 am »

Oh my god, I cannot believe this.

I, the great duke of Barcelona, king (but not ruler of) Castille and Galicia, have been cheated on by my wife and... MY SON.

Yes. I am not even kidding. MY SON AND MY WIFE JUST HAD A BASTARD, AND ARE LOVERS. CANNOT COMPUTEEEEEE.

Oh, yes. And the child. The child is female. With the traits of Weak and Inbred. Surprise!

Edit: He did it again! Aaaah!
This isn't all that unusual for the time this game is set in.
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« Reply #2945 on: May 24, 2013, 05:41:25 am »

Oh my god, I cannot believe this.

I, the great duke of Barcelona, king (but not ruler of) Castille and Galicia, have been cheated on by my wife and... MY SON.

Yes. I am not even kidding. MY SON AND MY WIFE JUST HAD A BASTARD, AND ARE LOVERS. CANNOT COMPUTEEEEEE.

Oh, yes. And the child. The child is female. With the traits of Weak and Inbred. Surprise!

Edit: He did it again! Aaaah!
This isn't all that unusual for the time this game is set in.
Time to banish your son to the farthest reaches of your realm, and kill your wife.  That should solve everything.

EDIT: Hm, since you're in Barcelona, you might be able to do this the Basque way: Kill your son and banish your wife to the farthest reaches of your realm.

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« Reply #2946 on: May 24, 2013, 05:43:35 am »

There was no real social taboo against incest like we have today. In fact it was a practice used to keep blood 'pure' in some families rather than mixing in outsiders.
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« Reply #2947 on: May 24, 2013, 05:56:09 am »

I once had twins who had a kid together. Said kid turned around and married his cousin.
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« Reply #2948 on: May 24, 2013, 06:18:37 am »

Time to banish your son to the farthest reaches of your realm, and kill your wife.  That should solve everything.

EDIT: Hm, since you're in Barcelona, you might be able to do this the Basque way: Kill your son and banish your wife to the farthest reaches of your realm.
My wife was a queen and my son was her heir. He is now the king of the rest of northern Iberia besides a few Aragon duchies (me) after his mother's death. Banishing him's not gonna happen. :P

Speaking of northern Iberia, it is amazing how quickly Iberia in my game went from muslims holding 2/3rds of it to 1/3rd. My wife, two of my sons, and I just bumrushed everything. Especially when my wife somehow made a massive muslim her vassal!

Though it's definitely going to be a headache for me when I die and I begin playing as my son. He's not exactly the best king (me and my wife had some problems with who's educating him due to him being in her court), so I expect some... discontent.

Edit: Soon as I said that, I died, heh.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 06:27:28 am by Tarran »
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Unknown to most but the insane and the mystics, Tarran is actually Earth itself, as Earth is sentient like that planet in Avatar. Originally Earth used names such as Terra on the internet, but to protect it's identity it changed letters, now becoming the Tarran you know today.
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Tarran has the "Tarran Bug", a bug which causes the affected character to repeatedly hit teammates while dual-wielding instead of whatever the hell he is shooting at.

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« Reply #2949 on: May 24, 2013, 08:14:19 am »

There was no real social taboo against incest like we have today. In fact it was a practice used to keep blood 'pure' in some families rather than mixing in outsiders.

Yeap, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Habsburg#Extinction_of_the_Spanish_Habsburgs
Also, Targaryens.
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« Reply #2950 on: May 24, 2013, 11:02:05 am »

Or he's trying to fight Northern Pagans ;)


Yeah, those guys are strong at the start. I'll take Poland as an example since they border Pomeralia and the other 2 or 3 county Dukedoms (High chiefs as pagan in this version) to their north. Poland at the start, if you start as the king Boleslaw the Bold. If you declare holy war when the pagans are not distracted, they will all join the holy war in defense of their faith and form a relatively large stack of troops that can be about 5x what the whole kingdom of Poland can muster.

To beat them and take their lands (which Poland really needs as it's landlocked without) wait until the Holy Roman Empire declares holy war on them. Every time HRE declares holy war you should do the same on a different county or the same as the HRE if you want to steal counties from the HRE with their neutrality, though then you have to arrive first.  The HRE is strong enough to win pretty easily after it's troops have consolidated. Once the Pagans have combined their own forces and are committed to losing that war, you have an opportunity to holy war the weaker pagan states. There will be a slight delay before other local pagans join in, so you can usually consolidate your army stack and put it in place before they try to dogpile you. If HRE has already crushed their main army usually you can siege the holdings in the county or duchy you are trying to holy war before they can reinforce enough to threaten you, but if you see an army that is sizeable that you can beat I would recommend chasing it down until there are no survivors.

After a while the pagans will not be able to muster as many as the start, and Poland can start grabbing as much land as possible, especially coastline, before Denmark, Sweden, the Russian principalities, and other Christians you can't holy war against take them.

You'll also want to be raising Crown laws when your ruler has been in power for a few years, and especially when they are about to die anyways. Raising Crown laws will make your current vassals despise you, I think it's -40 which is really a large amount, and it lasts a really long time if not permanently. If you do it too early, you'll have a lot of faction rebellions throughout until the next generation of rulers is in place. I usually increase it to low if it's at the lowest with the first ruler, then go for free investiture as that will increase all the bishops' respect for you and they will often choose to pay you their taxes rather than Rome, and the Pope is the richest man in the world in most of my games thanks to those bishops across the world I think. A downside is the Pope will gladly excommunicate you at the request of vassals trying to form factions against you, and you'll have to send your chancellor to rome and hope he improves the Pope's opinion of you enough to accept your request to lift the execomunication, or pay a hefty Pope bribe if you can afford it on the intrigue list.

Once it's at High Crown authority, your armies will be very large as vassals are obligated to give you larger armies, your vassals will be angry, and I think, though I'm not sure, the decrease in relations for raising a vassal's armies accrue slower. In addition you can change the inheritence law to Primogeniture. That means you won't have to make non-primary male children into bishops or heirs to bishops anymore.

A note on making male dynasty members bishops to remove them from succession: make sure they are married to create more dynasty members before they attain the position. They will keep having children even after becoming a bishop. Since bishops do not pass their title to children and are instead appointed, they will become normal court members of the bishipric their father was previously in charge of once their bishop father dies. Since they are dynasty members with nothing important to do, they will often accept an invitation to your court, where you are in charge of their marriage and where they will be available to place as dukes or counties as you conquer territories.

A funny result though is that factions can form to turn one of the Bishops who are King's sons into the King. This results in a Theocracy if you accept their demands. I'm unsure if this would be beneficial in some situation; I haven't managed to attain an emperor level position yet as I usually start as Poland and that is right in the middle of no-empire. I'm focussing on trying to form Russia as Poland this game before the Mongols show up with their ridiculous no supply limit, though the hordes are unreplenishable until conquer penalty wears off their conquered territory. My previous game I ignored the Ilkhanate too long. I was watching them focus mostly on weakening the SouthEastern Islamic states when the Golden Horde's arrival surprised me. The Golden Horde decided to take the Teutonic Knight Catolic counties I had been requested to donate to the Knights after taking them from the Ilkhanate in a previous holy war of opportunity while they were busy far to the south. It was a free buffer state I could join the defensive wars of for opportunities to grind down the horde. The Golden Horde's largest doom stacks that ignore supply rules were destroyed in a defensive war by giving the HRE's somewhat youthful ruler one of my princesses for marriage to some relative of his own in exchange for an alliance. Shortly after that war, the Ilkhanate's conquer penalty for recruiting normal units wore off, and they were the largest nation in the world. The HRE was actually bordering Ilkhanate in a large HRE controlled Kingdom of Jerusalem that had expanded due to a fragmented Islamic world that lacked a large state that could counter a distant empire. HRE was losing all the wars they fought with Ilkhanate because of those darn no supply limit initial hordes trouncing the slow to consolidate HRE in 8k supply limit counties over and over while the Ilkhanate insta-siege holdings for 30 casualties with those same initially multiple 150k stacks that are not afraid to combine.

After the Teutonic Knights were pushed out by the Golden Horde, they relocated to another area that was taking some territory from Cumans or something. I took those back after the Golden Horde was more or less reduced to a normal realm by the destruction of it's horde armys as described previously, and the Ilkhanate declared war to take them back from me. I stacked everything I had and killed as many small forces as I could, then sat in a good defense county and let the hordes attack. I lost a good number of reloads due to being so badly outnumbered, but after a few the Great Khan was killed in one of those 'resists valiantly but was slain by our troops after being cornered' random popups and his child heir, who I had bribed a while back for 20 gold, inherits. Totally lucky; after that they never forced a reload by attacking me when I wasn't ready. I also kept my chanceller in the new Great Khans' court at all times after that since he already liked me and it seemed to work well. To keep him from getting mad at me, I only joined other's wars against him and if it was the HRE I'd try to consolidate with them despite the HRE AI screwing it up most of the time due to supply limits messing it up bad. If it wasn't the HRE I'd join the war to send armies off to the task of looting as many Ilkhanate holdings as possible in order to fund more army improving buildings. For instance, I donated a county that was in an Ilkhanate dominated duchy to the Catholic Pope so he could do something useful. It survived a while under Rome mostly because the Ilkhanate was busy down south. I did get to see some Popestacks fighting Khanstacks though.

That was about where I stopped playing that and lost the save file, and after a hiatus I'm doing another Poland Boleslaw game to try to form Russia before Mongols arrive.

One thing that I think would be cool to have in the game and would like to see added is being able to combine two adjacent Kingdoms a character is holder of into Empires if there are enough holdings or something like that within it. Poland is hard partly because it can't form some sort of Empire; that extra rank is a nice boost in diplomacy. It's really easy as Poland to eventually become King of Poland, then Lithuania through conquering it, and then Hungry through marriage of your heir to the King of Hungry's first daughter and some male heir slaying. All that territory combined is very large and can muster a lot of troops (top 5 in the Christian world easily) after a few generations of Crown law increase, but all of it is in the black zone on empire view. I think it could use some kind of Empire title, especially if it was possible through mechanics to make non-historical empires of multiple bordering Kingdoms you control. If it was an automatically named Empire depending on it's components, culture and religion that would be cool. If that gets too wordy maybe it could allow players to name the new Empire in the way the DF names are made, by choosing appropriate words for the Religion of the Emperer, and from a list of words from the cultures and religions. It would be cool if this was in addition to the the historical empires already in place, so you had the option to do either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth+

except feudal elective as it's too early I guess for noble electorate, though maybe a nice bonus for those with the Republic city state DLC would be you could form an even earlier Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth if were to turn Poland into a Republic however you do that (I don't have any expansions yet) and play well enough.

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« Reply #2951 on: May 25, 2013, 01:07:02 am »

If you are the emperor, or the king of 3 kingdoms, or whatever, and a faction to place someone else on the throne(s), what happens to who you control? Does it stay the same? What happens if you lose all your lands? Does it switch to the new king if they are in your dynasty? Who do you control in gravelkind law?

I'm basically asking all the cases in which you don't follow the normal first born succession.
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« Reply #2952 on: May 25, 2013, 01:53:53 am »

If you are the emperor, or the king of 3 kingdoms, or whatever, and a faction to place someone else on the throne(s), what happens to who you control? Does it stay the same?
Yes.
What happens if you lose all your lands?
You lose the game.
Does it switch to the new king if they are in your dynasty?
No.
Who do you control in gravelkind law?
Whoever the primary heir is (pretty sure it's always the same person as in primogeniture).
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« Reply #2953 on: May 25, 2013, 06:31:18 am »

Then how is this about your dynasty??? If one of your family lines fail, you should play as another.
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« Reply #2954 on: May 25, 2013, 06:56:45 am »

Lord of the Plots :v

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