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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #2685 on: January 28, 2013, 10:51:45 am »

So the pseudo-ARG thing they have going is starting to wrap up. It seems almost undeniable that the picture is of a Norse soldier standing in front of a longboat. This seems to indicate that it's going to be a Norse DLC (unless there's some bastardly misdirection). There is still a chance that it will have more than just Norse pagan and/or Northern Crusade content.

I'm personally starting to believe that it will be an extremely small DLC focusing just on the Norse faith with the season-changing-map-mechanic that EUIV is boasting. Unless it's been in development before The Republic I really just don't think we'll get anything bigger than a flavour DLC.
The season changing would of course be a lovely addition to the map and should (in theory) be easy enough to port over since the two games apparently run almost exactly the same engine version. However on the other hand it could be seen as a stupid move to add a mechanic that is so heavily marketed in their next game. 

Possible other (and not likely) possibilities/mechanics include:
New fantasy DLC. Whoo.  :-\
An earlier starting date to when Vikings were a thing. However history does start to get rather iffy before 1000AD.
Northern Pagans/Northern Crusades.
Vinland/Greenland map expansion. Gives Iceland an excuse to become a merchant republic since they supported the colonies so much. Rather unlikely since you'd technically need to add colonial mechanics.
Navigable rivers. Can't have Viking raids or Viking trade without navigable rivers.
Naval Comb- HERESY! WAR GALLEYS NEVER EXISTED, ASK PARADOX!
Improved coastal assaults?
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« Reply #2686 on: January 28, 2013, 11:25:23 am »

An earlier starting date to when Vikings were a thing. However history does start to get rather iffy before 1000AD.

It's good as far back as Charlemagne, in my opinion. History is pretty stable after the Migration Age settles down, and that age ends conclusively with the Arabs getting their asses handed to them at the battle of Poiters by Charles Martel in 732. After that, southern France is swiftly retaken. By the reign of Charlemagne, the situation is more or less as we see it in 1066.
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« Reply #2687 on: January 28, 2013, 11:29:32 am »

An earlier starting date to when Vikings were a thing. However history does start to get rather iffy before 1000AD.

It's good as far back as Charlemagne, in my opinion. History is pretty stable after the Migration Age settles down, and that age ends conclusively with the Arabs getting their asses handed to them at the battle of Poiters by Charles Martel in 732. After that, southern France is swiftly retaken. By the reign of Charlemagne, the situation is more or less as we see it in 1066.
That might be true for northern Continental Europe and Italy (and to a lesser extent the British Isles), considerably less so for Scandinavia.
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« Reply #2688 on: January 28, 2013, 11:56:36 am »

You can't push the date back much farther because most of the kingdoms didn't exist so having the map filled with de jure kingdoms wouldn't make sense.
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« Reply #2689 on: January 28, 2013, 12:24:14 pm »

That argument would hold up more water, if there weren't already semi-absurd de-jure kingdoms in areas (Finland is what comes to mind) and, more importantly, de jure empires like Brittania or Scandinavia.
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« Reply #2690 on: January 28, 2013, 12:40:03 pm »

That might be true for northern Continental Europe and Italy (and to a lesser extent the British Isles), considerably less so for Scandinavia.

Therein lies the fun, of course. Although the results of Norse migrations had far less profound an effect than other Migrations. They tended to blend and "go native" more than previous migrations.

You can't push the date back much farther because most of the kingdoms didn't exist so having the map filled with de jure kingdoms wouldn't make sense.

Surely in Scandinavia there were petty norse kings to be conquered and forged into a central monarchy under a central religion, but that had been attempted as far back as Harold Fairhair. Elsewhere, everything looks suitable for a longer timespan. While Poland unified in the late 900s, the pagan Slavs themselves were giving Charlemagne a hard time as far back the late 700s, as the Vita Caroli attests. The cultures were fairly stable and in place.

The main impediment to going too far back is the eventual intersection with the Migration Age, where cultures ran willy-nilly all over Europe and the Middle East. That's the point where things go crazy.
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« Reply #2691 on: January 28, 2013, 01:00:12 pm »

Everywhere else except Russia, the Balkans, England, North Africa, much of germany, y'know half the map...
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« Reply #2692 on: January 28, 2013, 01:01:22 pm »

Personally, as much as I'd like them to push the date back, I don't think they should until they get a pagan DLC out, because the further you go back, the less Christian states there are, and the less playable areas there are.
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« Reply #2693 on: January 28, 2013, 01:52:51 pm »

Admittedly, it would be interesting to game out the struggles of proto-English kingdoms like Mercia, Wessex, Sussex, etc.
Especially with the introduction of Christianity and the options of converting just for the political advantages.
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« Reply #2694 on: January 28, 2013, 03:00:34 pm »

There's an excellent mod set in post-Roman Britain, that's basically just that.
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« Reply #2695 on: January 28, 2013, 04:05:49 pm »

anybody play game of thrones mod??? any play and succeed using wildings

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« Reply #2696 on: January 28, 2013, 06:45:57 pm »

As the wildlings the trick is to give one province back to the nightwatch so you don't get all the kings of the south coming to gangbang you.
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« Reply #2697 on: January 29, 2013, 06:42:04 pm »

what is the best place to start as a lord in Westeros is it even possible to make your own claims/kingdoms or do you have to play as bigger players to have a chance???

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« Reply #2698 on: January 29, 2013, 07:50:55 pm »

Anyone looking at that TES mod, Elder Kings?
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?624367-MOD-Elder-Kings-a-CK2-Elder-Scrolls-mod

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I gotta say, it looks like its got a ton of potential and eventually a lot of good bookmarks over a couple of expansive periods, I dont know if its available for dl (I dont think so) but it looks awesome!

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« Reply #2699 on: January 29, 2013, 08:41:21 pm »

I dont know if its available for dl (I dont think so)

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