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« Reply #2430 on: December 29, 2012, 09:49:20 pm »

Did they become Muslim?
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« Reply #2431 on: December 29, 2012, 10:15:12 pm »

Oh god aztecs.
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« Reply #2432 on: December 29, 2012, 11:14:36 pm »

Welp, good luck man. :P
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« Reply #2433 on: December 29, 2012, 11:16:53 pm »

OK, new problem. Aztecs took over Galicia, and can field the same number of troops as me... so I can't take it back over. I can basically try to invade them, and most likely lose, or I can wait until they build up, and lose.
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« Reply #2434 on: December 29, 2012, 11:43:40 pm »

Don't you get massive numbers of bad events for having such a large domain? I have tried keeping just a few extra castles for only a few years before and I could not do it, not because the relations penalty or the tax penalty, but rather because the events spawned by it were just crippling.

No, not a crippling number.

If I have a desmesne limit of 10, I find that I can keep 30 territories without more than one or two such provincial events each year. And compared to 30 provinces total, that is an acceptable rate of accumulation. Sometimes none all year. Yet at a certain ratio above 3:1, those events do start coming on thick and heavy. Frankly, -25% income doesn't really bother me, because my cities are producing enough to compensate. I hate the longer build time provincial event, though. It slows progress.

After the end of every 40-year tyranny, your new King will have patches of damaged lands here and there in the wake of his predecessor. Clean house by recruiting 50 more courtiers and give the courtiers with the least intrigue skill all of the lordships. Not mayors this time, but real lords, and parcel out all your excess holdings to them and play it straight for a few years. You give each one a single province to work on fixing. Give them your turmoil-wracked provinces for a few years and they'll patch them up, then arrest them all just as before. Then start the mayor-based tyranny from a clean slate.
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« Reply #2435 on: December 30, 2012, 12:55:58 am »

I picked this up for my birthday and am loving it.  I'm in the middle of my first serious game as Denmark (after some learning time in Ireland) and already I have a pretty funny tale.  This is a tale about a younger, ambitious brother of the heir, and how I got rid of him, and how he eventually made good on his own in a pretty spectacular way.

King Svend of Denmark starts off with a zillion sons and daughters.  It took me awhile to sort them all out and set up his oldest Harald as the heir, and at some point I noticed that Svend (who lived long enough to become known as 'the Old') starts with a weak claim on the throne of England.  Huh.  Somehow I am able to start a war with Suffolk, and take it.  This is mostly on a whim; England is a cauldron of rebelling states most of the time so it seemed safe enough.  This is also convenient, because at that point I was having some problems with one of my sons, Knud, plotting against Harald and getting nasty about having no land.  I grant him the county of Suffolk, effectively banishing him to England and getting him out of the way.  Or so I thought.  One last thing - I married him to Duchess Jolanta of Silesia, which I never bothered to look up.

Knud had a son with Jolanta, called Glum.  The entire time I am completely ignoring these two, despite a warning that these two may 'lose me titles' and my wife is trying to kill the baby Glum.  I tell her to stop, but later realize I should figure out what's going on.  I dig into Knud and Glum and realize that they've inherited the claim to the throne of England.  If they ever succeed, I lose the County of Suffolk.  I laugh that off - I never really wanted the county anyway, and them win England?  The betting pool in Copenhagen is on how many years they can keep Suffolk before the English boot their ass into the sea! 

Years pass.  Young Glum inherits Suffolk, and Harald inherits Denmark.  Feeling generous, I buy Glum the Duchy of Norfolk, in case we have a chance to snag Norfolk some day.  I'm slowly turning things so I can invade and take Sweden, while keeping the HRE appeased.  Suddenly, one day I am running an army around in the mainland during an HRE war near Poland, and I am a little shocked to see a whole chunk of land named... Denmark?  On the west edge of Poland.  Three entire counties, and their liege is... Glum.  WTF?  It's the duchy of Silesia.  The name rang a bell... apparently the duchess of Silesia is Glum's mum, and her poor old pa died with her as the eldest of two girls.  She's dead at this point, so the title passed to firstborn Glum, who has also managed to keep that toehold of Suffolk, despite several periods of English hegemony.  The HRE seems to be ignoring Silesia, despite them grabbing damn near anything small and weak and easy... Glum is leading a touched life.

That was funny enough, until the 2nd Crusade.  Harald's son, King Knud II, is hip-deep in Saracens when Glum comes to him with a request for help against the King of England.  I had only sent half my levies to Palestine, so I take a look at England and I figure, wth, why not.  I send Glum the rest of my troops, futz around in England stomping on various red stacks and running from others (I can never keep track of all the factions) for a few months until my army is ground down, and I send it home.  It didn't look too promising for Glum when I left, a big red stack running around and no blue stacks willing to take it on.  Negative warscore, too.  I turn my attention back to manufacturing more claims on Sweden, and not a month or so later I get a splattering of various alerts. 

Seems that Glum has added the title of 'King of England' to go along with that spiffy Duchy of Silesia.   ???   Its no home run, he's got only half of it under control, but still.  Oh, and now I see England prominently in the middle of Europe.  Those must be some really confused Poles.  It was funny running around England side by side with stacks of Silesians!

How the hell he pulled that off I'll never know, I didn't pay close attention to who was backing who and I swore the warscore was negative when I left the field.  It gets a little funnier - this period of history is not my strong point.  Apparently, after digging around on Wikipedia, it turns out that when I 'banished' his good old papa Knud to Suffolk, I was just playing into Knud's hands (wikipedia).

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... I won Jerusalem. I booted up an old save and I still somehow had 19% contribution (most other people had 10%). Is this normal? I only did that one battle.

I watched the entire Knights Hospitaler run into a 20k+ doomstack as their first battle in the 2nd Crusade, and get demolished.  I happened to check the score right after, and they had a 35% contribution for that one heroic belly flop.  Many months later its only down to 34%.
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« Reply #2436 on: December 30, 2012, 01:05:08 am »

Crap, 3 provinces (minus Galicia....) from uniting spain and having the troop numbers I need to curbstomp the Aztecs, and the truce has run out. Here's to hope?

EDIT: Attacked the Aztecs trying to take Galicia, looks good so far... no azte- FUUUU WTF A JIHAD FOR HALF OF SPAIN? WHYYYYY?!?!?!?

EDIT2: Well, the two people who joined the jihad before I took a 98k doomstack to them were highly upset... and no one else joined... probably because the warscore was around 75% for me after a very small amount of time. Also, HRE just imploded and the GH is spreading ever closer to Ireland. Aztecs and GH.... oh god.
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« Reply #2437 on: December 30, 2012, 01:18:33 am »

I played as Norway from the beginning once, and won the invasion of England sherry a few false starts. I had occupied every single holding.

Cue to me holding one or two counties and everything else held by angry English vassals.

Why didn't I get everything? It was all occupied. And the Norman's were out of the war by that point...

It was a little annoying...
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« Reply #2438 on: December 30, 2012, 02:38:13 am »

I played as Norway from the beginning once, and won the invasion of England sherry a few false starts. I had occupied every single holding.

Cue to me holding one or two counties and everything else held by angry English vassals.

Why didn't I get everything? It was all occupied. And the Norman's were out of the war by that point...

It was a little annoying...

The Cassus Belli system is kind of annoying like that sometimes. It's not very specific sometimes if your CB means you gain control of your holdings personally, or you just end up getting the owner as a vassal.

I kind of miss just getting to attack someone because you can.

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« Reply #2439 on: December 30, 2012, 02:42:36 am »

I kind of miss just getting to attack someone because you can.

Yeah. I miss this as well, does anyone know why the system is how it is now? I think the first CK was much better in this way. I mean, you still needed reasons I think, but it was way more flexible. I wonder why they changed it.
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« Reply #2440 on: December 30, 2012, 02:44:06 am »

I kind of miss just getting to attack someone because you can.

Yeah. I miss this as well, does anyone know why the system is how it is now? I think the first CK was much better in this way. I mean, you still needed reasons I think, but it was way more flexible. I wonder why they changed it.

CK2 would be even more ridiculously easy if you could just attack anyone.
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« Reply #2441 on: December 30, 2012, 02:47:37 am »

It's already ridiculously easy, as you just sorta said. I don't think the game was ever about forcing challenges onto people. Besides, just attacking anyone whenever is not quite what I was talking about, I was just thinking a system like in CK1 and EU3, where you can attack, but there are consequences. In the form of badboy if nothing else, which somewhat gammy as it is is better then physically stopping me from attacking.
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« Reply #2442 on: December 30, 2012, 02:55:09 am »

This is way better than prestige farming and giving up claims to manage BB that was in CK1.
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« Reply #2443 on: December 30, 2012, 02:55:53 am »

I kind of miss just getting to attack someone because you can.

Yeah. I miss this as well, does anyone know why the system is how it is now? I think the first CK was much better in this way. I mean, you still needed reasons I think, but it was way more flexible. I wonder why they changed it.

CK2 would be even more ridiculously easy if you could just attack anyone.

CK2's difficulty isn't really in CB, it's mostly just in the tedium. And random luck. Really, my biggest gripe with the game is everything is based on chance.

I want that territory, but it's all a random check to see if I can forge the claim. I want my tech to level up, but it's all a random check to see which tech gets a level up. I want to assassinate that person, but it's all a random check...

Really, that's probably one of my larger concerns with the game. Almost everything in it boils down to a lot of %'s and luck. It might be kind of realistic, but I wish I could just send my Chancellor somewhere, wait a few months, and automatically get the claim instead of waiting for months, or years for the RNG to be kind on me. Also I want a friggin' tech tree, it's not realistic or historical I know, but argh. That tech system just drives me batty.  ::)

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« Reply #2444 on: December 30, 2012, 03:01:47 am »

This is way better than prestige farming and giving up claims to manage BB that was in CK1.
I disagree.
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