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[a1s]

insolence! Arrest him, and ransom him out of his money.

[Tobel]

In my current game as the King of Ireland, the Sultanate of Africa managed to invade and kick italian ass and take over Rome. As soon as that happened, a Muslim pope was installed and I'm being called on Jihad's. Being a good Irishman, I created an antipope and am currently getting a whopping 400/yr income from all loyal Bishops. I've tried to find a way to install my antipope, or even claim Rome again, but the HRE had already reconquered it.

The Papacy, however, is still in Muslim control, no matter how many people I assassinate. Has anyone else encountered this fun?

[Domenique]

In my current game as the King of Ireland, the Sultanate of Africa managed to invade and kick italian ass and take over Rome. As soon as that happened, a Muslim pope was installed and I'm being called on Jihad's. Being a good Irishman, I created an antipope and am currently getting a whopping 400/yr income from all loyal Bishops. I've tried to find a way to install my antipope, or even claim Rome again, but the HRE had already reconquered it.

The Papacy, however, is still in Muslim control, no matter how many people I assassinate. Has anyone else encountered this fun?

When I conquer the papacy it just moves to a random bishopry...

[mainiac]

Man I'm playing this game where my sister and my eldest son have been fighting a war against each other for six damn years over some completely pointless scrap of territory.  Every two weeks I find out that some member of my extended family is trying to kill some other member and I have to intervene to break up their squabbles.  Bandits freely roam the countryside but no one in my family wants to do anything about it.  But despite being the scum of the earth these people have the gumption to call themselves...

The Aristocrats!

[lastverb]

Well whole plotting is a bit messed up for my taste. It doesn't matter if ur family have 100 relations with each other. It's caused by random choosing of ambitions by AIs. And since plots are only about wife/husband, liege and claimants/pretenders (close family in 90% cases) your kinsmen will always be trying to massacre each other.

[Grakelin]

For a period of about 8 years, my King of Ireland (who is Dutch) decided to be a Sunni Muslim just before he was able to offer vassalization to a bunch of neutral states caught in a French Civil War. Eight years later, the crisis ended when he realized "Wait, I'm not a Muslim", but by then the Holy Roman Empire had landed in Saxony and it was too late.

[Rakonas]

Well whole plotting is a bit messed up for my taste. It doesn't matter if ur family have 100 relations with each other. It's caused by random choosing of ambitions by AIs. And since plots are only about wife/husband, liege and claimants/pretenders (close family in 90% cases) your kinsmen will always be trying to massacre each other.

I find that modding it so that certain traits preclude people from being evil bastards helps quite a bit. The game already has it so that the AI can't kill their spouse if they're Honest or Kind, just take that and make it so that nobody can kill someone if they're honest or kind. Plots which are deceptive can be modded to exclude honest people, and plots which seek to gain power can be modded to exclude content people.

[Jackrabbit]

It does put you in the right mindset though. Absolutely everyone, all of them, hate you and want you dead. Opinion is just a combination of their loyalty and respect for you (i.e. how unpalitable open rebellion would seem as a way of achieving their goals), which I shouldn't think would affect the fact that what you have, they want, and they don't give a shit if you have to die for them to get it, no matter how much they respect you.

[Glowcat]

Well whole plotting is a bit messed up for my taste. It doesn't matter if ur family have 100 relations with each other. It's caused by random choosing of ambitions by AIs. And since plots are only about wife/husband, liege and claimants/pretenders (close family in 90% cases) your kinsmen will always be trying to massacre each other.

I find that modding it so that certain traits preclude people from being evil bastards helps quite a bit. The game already has it so that the AI can't kill their spouse if they're Honest or Kind, just take that and make it so that nobody can kill someone if they're honest or kind. Plots which are deceptive can be modded to exclude honest people, and plots which seek to gain power can be modded to exclude content people.

I don't think Honesty really should prevent that sort of thing, but there should be a possible event similar to the one where a drunken plot member blabs about the plot. Instead it'd involve the character acting suspicious and somebody close to him/her confronting the plotter about his/her activities. The honest person would then divulge the plan and it would be up to the close friend/relative's opinion of the plotter and traits as to whether the plot is revealed at large.

Also, a lot of the 100 opinion family backstabbing is done because the check for positive opinion when removing it from AI consideration excludes characters with either Ambitious, Envious, or Deceitful.

[mainiac]

I just want one honest man.

I'm down with the idea that some people never learn and are plotting bastards 24/7.  But there should be people you can rely on, especially people that you have been very good to.  When you are near the top most people realize it's stupid to risk bringing the whole house down.

Just look at how my sister ended up in her gambit against my son.  I cut off the gravy train of free provinces and money towards her.  7 years of war depleted her holdings.  And then she got assassinated, presumably by my son (atta boy!)

Some people are going to damn the risks and toss away everything they have on a pair of sixes.  But there should be trustworthy people in the world.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

I do have to say the game currently seems to be channelling Game of Thrones a little bit more than it should be and the whole "trust no-one" vibe is a little too strong.
I think the AI should be more careful with kin-slaying and trying to bump off the king/ruler. Hell, in Hamlet we had horses eating other horses when the true king of Denmark was killed.

[Glowcat]

It does get pretty bad, which is why I've been modding it a bit. I made even Envious/Ambitious/Deceitful characters check opinion, albeit at a much higher threshold. So they'll still be inclined to go stabby but not murder their best friend for wanting the same crumpet at dinner.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

My disgust at Paradox making the Modding forum private has made me decide to release my changes to this game's rather poorly thought out mechanics. First will be the Female issues, then re-balancing of buildings [idea from a Paradox forumite], to making the entire game less of a gamey 'I have to wait for this cooldown to finish before I can do ANYTHING' experience and more of a dynastic medieval simulator. Traits are ridiculous too, as someone on the forums pointed out:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Traits are retarded. They're either really positive or completely negative (with few exceptions) making the choices a no-brainer. This makes for shitty gameplay and "decisions" that aren't worthy of the name. I'm modifying most of them to look more like the CK1 traits, which tended to have positives and negatives, so you could find some use for almost any trait.

Some examples:
CK2: Arbitrary gives you: -2 stewardship, -1 learning, -10 vassal opinion, opposed to the Just trait. No positives whatsoever. Who would ever respond to an event in a way that grants this trait, if offered the choice?
CK1: Arbitrary gives you: -1 Stewardship, +1 Martial, opposed to the Just trait. You can make an argument for choosing that trait. It's not right in every situation, but it has its uses. It might be better with -2 stewardship to reinforce that this is a bad thing, but even then it would be worth having.
Let's look at the opposite trait while we're here:

CK2: Just gives +2 Stewardship, +1 Learning, +10 vassal opinion.
CK1: Just gives -1 Martial, +1 Stewardship, +opinions from similar traits.

Who would ever in their right mind choose Arbitrary over Justi in CK2? If you've ever offered an event to choose between the two there's no choice. Even for roleplaying reasons, since the events themselves are the moment when the character makes the choice. There's just no incentive.
CK1's traits aren't perfect, but they're a damn sight more interesting than those in CK2.

I'm not doing their completely fudged event system, though. I'm not that dedicated. If anyone like me wants to help and make an Unofficial Improvement mod, then let me know. Otherwise I'm doing this on my own, since Paradox is doing a great job of proving to me that they definitely don't deserve my money. Case-in-point, DLC for the dynastic coats-of-arms of a majority of the houses included in the game.

DLC. For the coat-of-arms. Of Noble Families. The game is called Crusader Kings, for fuck sake, are you serious?

[Eagle_eye]

Haven't the modding and tech support forums been private on all of their recent games?

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Haven't the modding and tech support forums been private on all of their recent games?

In the name of combating piracy and making my time a million times more difficult. Pretty ridiculous considering they used to give a damn about the modding community's support for their often flawed games.