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[Mictlantecuhtli]

It's.. pretty consistent how bad the Frankish revolts get. They're basically crippled by them.

[Rakonas]

I actually formed the HRE in 799 and died in 814 in my Charlemagne game. So I think it's working.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

It's not, but alright.

[Rilder]

So been playing a bit again, the patch ruined my India campaign that was doing good however. (It played but at like a 1 day every 5 seconds rate and the new campaign is much smoother, almost pre India-Adding smooth. [Though scrolling across the map is quite laggy, not much I can do about that])

Started as a Catholic which I haven't done since like before Sword of Islam (Playing one campaign and then buggering off for ages does that) and wow they really need to do some work on the Crusade mechanic in my opinion, at least the mechanic of what happens if a Crusade is -successful-

Right now whoever contributes the most wins everything which I don't really like.  I think it'd be a lot more interesting if a new Independent regime was created of the target's title and go down the list of contributors distributing the various titles in that realm, starting with the top title and then going through the dukes and then counts. If a character is offered a title he can abdicate his current lands to a family member and become the King, Duke or Count of the new land or refuse and have the offer go to the next person on the list, keeping his current lands.   

Would be an interesting way in my opinion to create a whole new kingdom with a hodge podge of land holders from all over Europe. Plus a reason for a count or duke player to actually try and fight in the Crusades, to make a new start in the holy land.

[Rakonas]

Even worse is something I never noticed before is that if there are catholic claimants for the title then they will get it when the crusade is over. Even if you contribute 90% and the random royal guy does basically nothing, he'll get it.

[pisskop]

Well its theirs by birth, and only yours by merit.  I would not consider it very fair if the Pope gave you  claim on the title based solely on merit either.  #Old World Values.

[Wiles]

Personally I like that one person ends up with all the land. It would be hard for a little count to hold out against the Caliphate.

It would be interesting if there were incentives other than land. Getting tech bonuses would make sense since Muslims were more advanced than early Crusaders in a lot of ways. Holy relics and treasures would be another way to incentivise going on a Crusade for the little guys.

[Vactor]

Well crusading (at least used to) gives the crusader trait to everyone, which can give a nice relationship boost if you drag all your vassals to the holy land with you.

And really if you think about the claimants, its a bit like all of Christendom is pressing their claim.  I do think having a bit more cosmopolitan crusader states would be neat.  Dealing with multiple cultures and succession lines to muck it all up.

[EnigmaticHat]

I once had a game where I managed to inherit the Kingdom of Sicily and two English Duchies in one generation as the King of Ireland.  See my wife was a powerful Duchess in England, but English law wouldn't let the titles leave England to go to our son.  So she decided to defeat the law... by becoming independent by getting a Kingdom level title in a crusade.

Then I took over Aquitaine (the lower half of modern day France, in case you don't know) in another Crusade.  That was a weird game.

[Duuvian]

I haven't played Catholic in a while, but I found it possible to win Jerusalem Crusades as a King and I think you could do it as a Duke too. The requirements are being able to siege holdings with your levies and to have enough boats to transport them. Then you sign onto the Crusades and while other Catholic's armies are distracting the Caliphate's doomstack you go the the farthest coast county in the Caliphate and siege stuff until an army heads your way. Then get on the boat and go somewhere else. It might cause the Doomstack to split so the HRE can beat it, and if that happens you already have some percent in your contributions due to the early sieges. Then after the doomstack is defeated you can siege as normal; try to be the first on Jerusalem.

[a1s]

I haven't played Catholic in a while, but I found it possible to win Jerusalem Crusades as a King and I think you could do it as a Duke too. The requirements are being able to siege holdings with your levies and to have enough boats to transport them. Then you sign onto the Crusades and while other Catholic's armies are distracting the Caliphate's doomstack you go the the farthest coast county in the Caliphate and siege stuff until an army heads your way. Then get on the boat and go somewhere else. It might cause the Doomstack to split so the HRE can beat it, and if that happens you already have some percent in your contributions due to the early sieges. Then after the doomstack is defeated you can siege as normal; try to be the first on Jerusalem.

That doesn't sound right- you get a lot more war contribution by feeding the meat grinder then by siegeing. You're probably just sending more of your troops to the crusade.

[Duuvian]

It was a few versions ago, right after Old Gods released (but before it was on sale so I didn't have it).

You could be right though, I sent everything I had. I didn't know percentage of your forces sent makes a difference in contribution score.

Maybe it changed too, but capturing even a few African counties before being chased away raised my contribution significantly the last time I was in a Catholic game. Maybe it's because the HRE was losing every battle it fought until the Caliphate split up it's army.

[NobodyPro]

So I just started playing this game despite having owned it for years. It's really good. Just to preface what I'm about to describe, I started off by leaving the eldest child with a normal name.

I started off as Olafr, chief of Ossland. His time as chief was uneventful and spent most of his time assisting his liege in fighting the Swedes. He had two children: Rognvaldr by his wife, and Nyx by his concubine. Olafr died of poor health and left Oppland to his son.

Rognvaldr's reign was the point where I started to realise what I was playing. Rognvaldr raked in the prestige and piety while he was alive and was happy to see his eldest son, Oysteinn, join the Varangian Guard. Interestingly, Oysteinn's wife gave birth days before Oysteinn returned and their daughter, Halla, had the crest of the Varangian Guard displayed in her profile. Oysteinn never had a son because he was blinded and castrated. The title of heir went to his brother, AK47. The next brother, Excalibur, was only important in the sense that he would later inherit some land from AK47.

AK47 looked like he was going to be the start of a powerful dynasty. He was a brilliant strategist, humble, patient, temperate, and zealous. He conquered the last independent cheifdoms of Norway and set his sights on the independent cheifdoms of Sweden and Denmark. He conquered the ones Sweden didn't get to first and finally found his match in Sjaelland. Sjaelland itself was easily taken but the chief of Sjaelland refused to concede, speaking of unbeaten armies. It turned out that his brother-in-law had heard of my war and had sent a doomstack across half of Eastern Europe to help him.

AK47 returned to Ossland to find no support from the other lords. In the time he had been conquering they had been talking with catholics and there were many zealots in Norway. AK47 spent the rest of his life inventing flying machines, sacrificing the prisoners he'd taken in Sweden, and organising the assassination of whoever controlled Sjaelland at the time.

AK47 eventually died under suspicious circumstances after having his liege-lord murdered by an archer on a grassy gnoll. His lands were split among his sons and his brother with Ossland going to his eldest son, Dickbutt. The first thing Dickbutt did was call his allies to conquer Sjaelland. They did it. Turns out the aging bishop had no allies to call and the pagan temple returned to the norse. One week later Dickbutts liege, a catholic child, stole Sjaelland from him.

Eventually the Swedes invaded and claimed all of what was once called Ostland. Dickbutt lived the rest of his life among the last germanic pagans, in the court of Kettil of Worcester with the crest of Sjaelland on his profile as a final insult.

I really like this game.

[EuchreJack]

Aside from the new start date, what else does the Charlemagne DLC offer?

[scriver]

Tribal holdings are part of the free patch.